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re: Biggest Conference Realignment Regrets
Posted on 9/26/19 at 9:37 am to XWing atAliciousness
Posted on 9/26/19 at 9:37 am to XWing atAliciousness
B12 screwed up by not acting faster.
ACC got some teams that could have made for a nice 4 pod in the east
Louisville
Cincinnati
West Virginia
Pittsburgh
B1G with 14 is an insult to Penn State, Nebraska, Maryland, and Rutgers. No wonder Notre Dame does not want to join that joke.
B12 with 10, especially the WVU - as an island - and doubling down on the privates - Baylor and TCU was not the best realignment move but keeping the BIG TWELVE name with just 10 was the worst marketing move.
Biggest regrets...
Nebraska - was a playa in the B12, now relegated to obscurity behind Michigan and Ohio State.
B1G - shot for Notre Dame and got Rutgers
B12 - failed all around on the realignment game, went from #2 to battling the PAC for the bottom.
Clemson, Florida State, Georgia Tech, texas, and others - who shunned the SEC but are dying for the invite now.
Big East - not getting Penn State early and Notre Dame to go all in wrecked their P5 status.
ACC got some teams that could have made for a nice 4 pod in the east
Louisville
Cincinnati
West Virginia
Pittsburgh
B1G with 14 is an insult to Penn State, Nebraska, Maryland, and Rutgers. No wonder Notre Dame does not want to join that joke.
B12 with 10, especially the WVU - as an island - and doubling down on the privates - Baylor and TCU was not the best realignment move but keeping the BIG TWELVE name with just 10 was the worst marketing move.
Biggest regrets...
Nebraska - was a playa in the B12, now relegated to obscurity behind Michigan and Ohio State.
B1G - shot for Notre Dame and got Rutgers
B12 - failed all around on the realignment game, went from #2 to battling the PAC for the bottom.
Clemson, Florida State, Georgia Tech, texas, and others - who shunned the SEC but are dying for the invite now.
Big East - not getting Penn State early and Notre Dame to go all in wrecked their P5 status.
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Posted on 9/26/19 at 10:19 am to RT1941
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They are here now, they are part of the SEC family now and these year ‘round non-stop threads will do nothing to change a got damn thing
Thank you, thank you, and thank you. It gets pretty mind-numbing when we open up post and read a "Send Missouri back" statement. Damn, won East twice. Beat Florida 5 times (and that is stated as respect to Florida, not a slam), beat Tennessee 5 times....what else do we need to do that all other schools have already done?
Posted on 9/26/19 at 10:21 am to Tigerfan0318
99.9% of the time these threads are started by big 12 fans in austin....
Posted on 9/26/19 at 10:21 am to BHMKyle
Hot Take: If Clemson had been pulled into the SEC instead of South Carolina, they wouldn't have become the football program they are today.
Posted on 9/26/19 at 11:10 am to Cheese Grits
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Clemson, Florida State, Georgia Tech, texas, and others - who shunned the SEC but are dying for the invite now.
I don't know if some of those schools are "dying" for an invite to the SEC. I can only speak on behalf of Texas, but I'm good with or without (obviously, currently without) being in the SEC.
When realignment talked reached a head in the summers of 2010 and 2011, I remember Texas fans toying with the idea of going independent. That way, we'd piss nobody off with the tv network deal and schedule as ambitious or soft as we want.
Personally, as a fan perspective, I don't hate being in the big 12. It provides a ton of regional rivalries to schools that my friends from high school and relatives went to, and it offers credible competition in sports other than just football.
That said, I'm sure it's tough to speak for other teams that don't make as much money and are frustrated with lack of revenue sharing, conference wide tv deal, etc.
All in all, my only real beef is that the name is incredibly stupid
This post was edited on 9/26/19 at 11:11 am
Posted on 9/26/19 at 11:13 am to BHMKyle
I’m not sure that Clemson was ever interested in leaving the ACC. They’re a charter member. And not all teams want to face an SEC scedule.
Seriously, Clemson is probably happy that they don’t have to beat UGA in the regular season and beat Alabama in the conference title game every year just to make the playoffs.
Seriously, Clemson is probably happy that they don’t have to beat UGA in the regular season and beat Alabama in the conference title game every year just to make the playoffs.
Posted on 9/26/19 at 11:21 am to BHMKyle
1980.
Posted on 9/26/19 at 11:23 am to BHMKyle
Every week a thread like this about expansion or kicking teams out. frick off already.
Posted on 9/26/19 at 11:29 am to TigerTalker16
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Every week a thread like this about expansion or kicking teams out.
Kids today keep wanting to re invent the wheel
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frick off already.
I am cool with Mizzou to the SEC, I lobbied for you admittance.
Posted on 9/26/19 at 11:43 am to XWing atAliciousness
Going into this season since realignment, Mizzou and Nebraska have more wins than both WVU and Texas. TCU and Texas A&M have had the best success in terms of wins. IMO TCU took advantage the most in the move on the field, but is starting to come back down a little bit. Texas A&M took advantage the most in terms of $.
Colorado has been hurt, only 1 winning season.
I do think that we would not be talking about the Big 12 as much if they ended up expanding a little bit more with going to 12 teams back in 2012. They could have added Louisville and Cincinnati. 14 or more teams if they were looking into Boise/BYU/Memphis/Houston/UCF.
Colorado has been hurt, only 1 winning season.
I do think that we would not be talking about the Big 12 as much if they ended up expanding a little bit more with going to 12 teams back in 2012. They could have added Louisville and Cincinnati. 14 or more teams if they were looking into Boise/BYU/Memphis/Houston/UCF.
Posted on 9/26/19 at 11:46 am to TNTigerman
It's about tv sets that determine conference dollar payouts.
Adding Texas and getting in that footprint was a no brainer.
The others I could do without.
South Carolina would have been a better fit for the ACC
Missouri would have been a better fit for the Big 10 or staying put with Kansas and that rivalry.
Ark should have stayed with Texas
SEC should have added Texas A&M and Florida State would have been the best fit but Florida would never allow that to happen which is a shame since you play them every year anyway.
Adding Texas and getting in that footprint was a no brainer.
The others I could do without.
South Carolina would have been a better fit for the ACC
Missouri would have been a better fit for the Big 10 or staying put with Kansas and that rivalry.
Ark should have stayed with Texas
SEC should have added Texas A&M and Florida State would have been the best fit but Florida would never allow that to happen which is a shame since you play them every year anyway.
Posted on 9/26/19 at 12:23 pm to BHMKyle
It'll never happen, but I'd rather be back in the SWC/BIG 12. I'd rather play OU/Texas/Tech/OKST, etc over some of the teams here in the SEC, just due to geography. ]
We would also (probably) be more competitive.
Our recruiting class would have been #3 in the Big 12 last year, but finished 10th in the SEC.
We would also (probably) be more competitive.
Our recruiting class would have been #3 in the Big 12 last year, but finished 10th in the SEC.
This post was edited on 9/26/19 at 12:25 pm
Posted on 9/26/19 at 12:33 pm to Evolved Simian
What's considered "a major sport"?
Posted on 9/26/19 at 12:48 pm to southernboisb
To me it's just men's football, basketball, and baseball.
Posted on 9/26/19 at 12:52 pm to BHMKyle
Swap auburn and mizzou. Then make ole miss or miss state our west division rival.
*edit: on second thought, Arkansas
*edit: on second thought, Arkansas
This post was edited on 9/26/19 at 12:53 pm
Posted on 9/26/19 at 12:59 pm to BHMKyle
We’ve won a Natty in the big 3 since we’ve been in the conference, during that same time Georgia has zero. You’ve made it to a couple championship games and lost, same for us.
Georgia classic underachievers
Georgia classic underachievers
This post was edited on 9/26/19 at 1:01 pm
Posted on 9/26/19 at 1:15 pm to XWing atAliciousness
Note past vs present usage
Back then, dying = no but now, dying = yes
Kids today want the media buzz and the SEC has been the winner since the 90's realignment and went overdrive on the last one.
Just to clarify, I we talking fan driven desires or administration driven ones
I think administrators don't really care as long as a school winds up in a similar home. Most AD's and presidents are no longer home grown so ties to the State U is lessened if they were educated in Oregon.
I think fans can be bi polar (too mush back and forth) or narcissistic (too much local KoolAid) so not really saying what they really feel. Take texas....
"we don't want to be in the SEC"
May translate
"we want to be the big fish in an unequal pond"
"we are elite but to the world we are just above average"
But the bigger issue is the (Grass is Greener) crowd
We don't want to be in the SEC because we are better changes quickly when your rival is in the SEC getting lots of money and exposure. Then the green grass on the other side of the fence gets greener and the jealously gets very real
Granted this is cyber fans here, and not live ones, here is where you can tell
No envy
no texas or Clemson fans on tRant
no 20 page threads of nonsense trolling
no showing up to things you are not on the guest list for
praising former rivals when they succeed in their new homes
Envy
on a different conference board talking about old rivals
saying how good you are when you are not a member of the group
popping up to post when your former rival stumbles or falls
Back then, dying = no but now, dying = yes
Kids today want the media buzz and the SEC has been the winner since the 90's realignment and went overdrive on the last one.
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I remember Texas fans toying with the idea of going independent.
Just to clarify, I we talking fan driven desires or administration driven ones
I think administrators don't really care as long as a school winds up in a similar home. Most AD's and presidents are no longer home grown so ties to the State U is lessened if they were educated in Oregon.
I think fans can be bi polar (too mush back and forth) or narcissistic (too much local KoolAid) so not really saying what they really feel. Take texas....
"we don't want to be in the SEC"
May translate
"we want to be the big fish in an unequal pond"
"we are elite but to the world we are just above average"
But the bigger issue is the (Grass is Greener) crowd
We don't want to be in the SEC because we are better changes quickly when your rival is in the SEC getting lots of money and exposure. Then the green grass on the other side of the fence gets greener and the jealously gets very real
Granted this is cyber fans here, and not live ones, here is where you can tell
No envy
no texas or Clemson fans on tRant
no 20 page threads of nonsense trolling
no showing up to things you are not on the guest list for
praising former rivals when they succeed in their new homes
Envy
on a different conference board talking about old rivals
saying how good you are when you are not a member of the group
popping up to post when your former rival stumbles or falls
Posted on 9/26/19 at 1:36 pm to BHMKyle
You seem to really not understand that conference expansion has very little to do with program strength and almost everything to do with increasing conference footprint for TV purposes and expanding research grant opportunities.
For example, Rutgers may suck at sports but they help get and keep in the BTN in the NY/NJ cable markets and b/c they are AAU they make it easier for Big 10 schools to pools their resources when getting research grants. They are a success for the Big Ten regardless of how terrible their football performs.
The worst add for conference expansion P5 wise is actually TCU. They have an extremely small fanbase due to being a small private school, the Big 12 already had a private school in Baylor that let's them keep conference dealings secret, they aren't a major research university, and they are already located in a market that the Big 12 has locked down for TV purposes.
For example, Rutgers may suck at sports but they help get and keep in the BTN in the NY/NJ cable markets and b/c they are AAU they make it easier for Big 10 schools to pools their resources when getting research grants. They are a success for the Big Ten regardless of how terrible their football performs.
The worst add for conference expansion P5 wise is actually TCU. They have an extremely small fanbase due to being a small private school, the Big 12 already had a private school in Baylor that let's them keep conference dealings secret, they aren't a major research university, and they are already located in a market that the Big 12 has locked down for TV purposes.
This post was edited on 9/26/19 at 1:39 pm
Posted on 9/26/19 at 1:37 pm to piggilicious
Georgia and Clemson were basically the same.. now Georgia is the old Clemson. Harping on 1980.
Posted on 9/26/19 at 1:42 pm to BHMKyle
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SEC Expanding Past 10
This one is the only one about which I care. Texas A&M and Arkansas belong in the Big 12, Missouri belongs there or in the Big Ten, and South Carolina should be in the ACC.
We only need 10 teams. You could play a round-robin schedule in baseball and football ever year, and you could play a double-round-robin schedule in basketball.
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