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re: Big 10 Conference has "vetted" the following 10 schools for possible future membership
Posted on 6/8/23 at 7:44 am to TeLeFaWx
Posted on 6/8/23 at 7:44 am to TeLeFaWx
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Really hope the SEC can grab UNC and Virginia
Good schools. But why? They really create more problems. And stripped of their historical rivals they have lesser value.
In the hypothetical the SEC expanded to 20 schools you have two 10 team conferences. That doesn't interest me. Financially I'm not convinced it makes more revenue per school either.
The 16 team conference is already an unwieldy Goliath.
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Posted on 6/8/23 at 8:13 am to molsusports
It’s tough to explain why UVA and to a lesser extent UNC would be a bad fit for the SEC until you’ve visited their actual campuses and met the students and alumni.
UVA, much like Duke, is basically a near Ivy League school that happens to be located in the south as far as mindset, priorities and culture go.
UNC is still somewhat southern, but Chapel Hill has more in common with Austin than it would Tuscaloosa or Columbia and they are proud of that difference.
Neither school cares in any meaningful way about football and UNC in particular is deeply rooted in the ACC/Tobacco Road traditions and rivalries against Duke, UNC, etc.
I agree that an SEC presence in NC and VA is ideal and UNC is certainly the premier brand in NC. That said I truly wonder whether NC ST and VA Tech are better fits from a cultural standpoint.
I think if I were running the SEC and ESPN was onboard from a contract standpoint I’d grab an ACC pod of Clemson and FSU along with 1 of the NC schools and 1 of the VA schools, but unless meetings with UVA officials went well I would heavily consider going with Va Tech.
From an academic standpoint it’s impossible to overstate the impact adding UVA, UNC, Texas and to a lesser extent FSU would have on the SEC.
Those are all elite schools and paired with Vandy, UF, A&M and UGA would make the SEC an academic powerhouse while greatly enhancing the research base.
UVA, much like Duke, is basically a near Ivy League school that happens to be located in the south as far as mindset, priorities and culture go.
UNC is still somewhat southern, but Chapel Hill has more in common with Austin than it would Tuscaloosa or Columbia and they are proud of that difference.
Neither school cares in any meaningful way about football and UNC in particular is deeply rooted in the ACC/Tobacco Road traditions and rivalries against Duke, UNC, etc.
I agree that an SEC presence in NC and VA is ideal and UNC is certainly the premier brand in NC. That said I truly wonder whether NC ST and VA Tech are better fits from a cultural standpoint.
I think if I were running the SEC and ESPN was onboard from a contract standpoint I’d grab an ACC pod of Clemson and FSU along with 1 of the NC schools and 1 of the VA schools, but unless meetings with UVA officials went well I would heavily consider going with Va Tech.
From an academic standpoint it’s impossible to overstate the impact adding UVA, UNC, Texas and to a lesser extent FSU would have on the SEC.
Those are all elite schools and paired with Vandy, UF, A&M and UGA would make the SEC an academic powerhouse while greatly enhancing the research base.
This post was edited on 6/8/23 at 8:14 am
Posted on 6/8/23 at 8:30 am to beaverfever
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I’m not from Florida but my impression is that FSU has significant better fan support than Florida. Athletics south of the panhandle are an afterthought.
I'm definitely not a Gator fan but I did live in Gainesville over a decade and tailgated most every game for football with my old company who were most UF Alums. I have since moved so I can't speak to their regional this past weekend but the fan and donor support for UF is far greater than FSU. It really isn't even close
Posted on 6/8/23 at 8:42 am to JetDawg
I'd like to see the SEC eventually grab NC
It just makes sense
It just makes sense
Posted on 6/8/23 at 8:44 am to JetDawg
All the talk of the Big Ten wanting FSU and Clemson was fools gold. Not sure they even add much more to the SEC.
But Georgia Tech is never talked about and fits about everything the Big Ten wants even if the SEC wouldn't be interested in them. In Atlanta top media market, academics and Rutgers like fanbase.
But Georgia Tech is never talked about and fits about everything the Big Ten wants even if the SEC wouldn't be interested in them. In Atlanta top media market, academics and Rutgers like fanbase.
Posted on 6/8/23 at 8:54 am to tide06
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Those are all elite schools and paired with Vandy, UF, A&M and UGA would make the SEC an academic powerhouse while greatly enhancing the research base.
Who gives a shite? The is a sports conference, not an academic conference. Let the schools band together on academic terms if they want to but Virginia wouldn't be worth an ounce of dog shite on the football field. They wouldn't bring any more eyeballs to games. It would only serve to water down the conference with a greater increase and focus on progressive social messages instead of athletics and I, for one, hate bringing that social justice shite into athletics. UNC would be great for basketball but they would also add all of the same BS social messaging. If you've ever known someone from the Raleigh-Durham area, you know what I am talking about.
A big NO! from me on adding either one of these two teams.
Posted on 6/8/23 at 8:55 am to The Winner
I mean if the Big 10 goal is something like add academic schools with athletic programs in new states I see the argument for expansion including: Miami, GA Tech, NC, VA. I just don't see that increasing their revenue per team. And it still destroys or endangers the traditional value of those programs.
Miami is more paired with Florida and FSU. They were discussed as the antithesis of Notre Dame, not potentially as members of the same conference.
NC and VA are geographically and culturally more of a fit but would still lose their significant regional affiliations. Is that worthwhile for either the schools or the conference?
Miami is more paired with Florida and FSU. They were discussed as the antithesis of Notre Dame, not potentially as members of the same conference.
NC and VA are geographically and culturally more of a fit but would still lose their significant regional affiliations. Is that worthwhile for either the schools or the conference?
Posted on 6/8/23 at 8:56 am to hogcard1964
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I'd like to see the SEC eventually grab NC
It just makes sense
Hell no. It makes no sense at all. See my above post.
Posted on 6/8/23 at 9:11 am to JetDawg
A lot of wrong opinions regarding these Florida schools. Florida has a much deeper and richer fanbase that either of the other two. Florida has never had much patience with their football program. Hire and fire has been their MO for decades. There are plenty of football fans in the state of Florida. Everyone in Florida is not an old retired person from the northeast. I have lived in Florida, but not in several decades. It gets too doggone hot for me.
Miami has no fanbase, that is the reason the SEC never gave them a serious look when the SEC was looking to expand when they brought on the hogs and the chickens.
FSU was looked at but Bowden did not want to enter that briar patch called the SEC.
This expansion just for expansion's sake is beyond my ability to comprehend. Evidently it is too far advanced for me to understand it.
Miami has no fanbase, that is the reason the SEC never gave them a serious look when the SEC was looking to expand when they brought on the hogs and the chickens.
FSU was looked at but Bowden did not want to enter that briar patch called the SEC.
This expansion just for expansion's sake is beyond my ability to comprehend. Evidently it is too far advanced for me to understand it.
Posted on 6/8/23 at 9:29 am to Landmass
Of course it's a sports conference. Which is why the SEC being in North Carolina is a no brainier. Virginia I can take or leave but can also see the appeal of being in there, and the SEC can be like the Big Ten and claim DC for no reason as a result of being a border state to it.
All of your other political nonsense is something that fits Georgia more than it fits North Carolina.
All of your other political nonsense is something that fits Georgia more than it fits North Carolina.
Posted on 6/8/23 at 10:12 am to GoldenAge
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That's going to be a nightmare for their conference when it comes to travel arrangements. They are already about to spread from North East/Midwest to California. I don't know how it could manage the sports that aren't generating profit eating serious chunks of cash just in travel.
Well if they go to say 24 by adding all 10 of those teams. Then you have a version of the NFL, lets call this league BIG_NFC to use an NFL term. You have 24 teams, then you go to 4 Divisions within the BIG_NFC with 6 teams each. You play all 5 of your division, and you play based some combination from the other Divisions, 2-2-2 for 11 league games, or all 6 from 1 division and rotate the divisions every 4th year. Division winners all make a playoff.
If the BIG10 is leaking this out, this tells you where CFP is heading, to an NFL like Model with a College version of the NFC and AFC.
Posted on 6/8/23 at 10:19 am to beaverfever
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Florida has the least in common with the average SEC program.
WTF?
Charter Member (back in the day, nobody lived in Florida)
Gainesville = North Florida = Georgia
Big state school
Actually in the SouthEAST footprint
Ability to beat Ohio State and other B1G school
Posted on 6/8/23 at 11:12 am to tigerbait2010
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Wish we could land UVA
We are not the same. These are the type of people who try to cancel football season when they have the chance. Keep them away.
Posted on 6/8/23 at 11:17 am to KCM0Tiger
Mizzou and kansas to the Big Ten would be a great move for everyone involved. Mizzou is closer culturally to the Big Ten than the SEC, and I say that as someone who was born and raised in the most culturally southern part of Missouri. It give us a natural rival with Illinois and Nebraska as well. Plus I could finally quit hearing everyone bitch about us on here.
This post was edited on 6/8/23 at 11:19 am
Posted on 6/8/23 at 11:19 am to JetDawg
I think a decent amount will get an invite but I also think it's highly possible some of these schools are being vetted for head to head purposes, for ex maybe Stanford is a take and cal and Utah are being vetted to see who fits better bc there isn't room for both
Posted on 6/8/23 at 11:42 am to bunkerhill
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This expansion just for expansion's sake is beyond my ability to comprehend
It’s about footprint
The B1G has the LA, Chicago and NYC markets in their footprint.
The media loves those places
If they get Miami and somewhere in the Southeast, the narrative will shift and by 2035 the B1G will be the premiere conference while the SEC will function as a minor league.
That is, I’d the SEC doesn’t get their shite together before then.
Posted on 6/8/23 at 11:50 am to Fear TheSpear
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FSU is more relevant despite being in the ACC.
I guess this is true, if your definition of "more relevant" is having less NC's in football, basketball, and baseball
Posted on 6/8/23 at 11:55 am to jchamil
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less NC's in football
UF and FSU have the same amount of NC’s, with FSU not ducking from those great Miami teams like the cowardly Gators.
If we didn’t have to play Miami in the 90s we’d have 5-6.
Gators didn’t even have to play them and still couldn’t win nattys
UF has never had an undefeated season either
This post was edited on 6/8/23 at 11:56 am
Posted on 6/8/23 at 12:00 pm to JetDawg
Clemson is going to get left holding the bag
Posted on 6/8/23 at 12:11 pm to Fear TheSpear
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UF has never had an undefeated season either
1911 actually
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