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Posted on 7/23/19 at 6:37 am to AU_RX
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but what are the arguments for Butler?
2 time all American
3 time first team all sec
Had 27 multiple field goal games (NCAA record at the time)
Sports Illustrated All Century team
ABC's All Time All American team
Edit to add first kicker in college football hall of fame.
2 time SEC Champion
This post was edited on 7/23/19 at 6:38 am
Posted on 7/23/19 at 10:46 am to Porter Osborne Jr
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Have they changed the rules on that?
How long have you been sleeping this time, Rip?
https://www.thecrimson.com/article/1989/9/22/no-more-tee-time-for-college-kickers/
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No More Tee-Time For College Kickers
Eclectic Notebook
By Michael Stankiewicz,
September 22, 1989
For the first time in 39 years, placekickers are no longer allowed to use a tee on field goals and extra points in collegiate games, but must kick off the ground as NFL kickers currently do.
Posted on 7/23/19 at 10:59 am to mistaken4193
John Vaughn
Posted on 7/23/19 at 11:05 am to MykTide
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Kevin Butler was pretty good.
And Butler is currently the only kicker in the college football HOF.
This post was edited on 7/23/19 at 11:06 am
Posted on 7/23/19 at 11:07 am to UnderDog68
Yeah it's definitely Butler.
Posted on 7/23/19 at 11:08 am to jstew311
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While Vaughn will arguably be remembered for his failed attempts against LSU in 2005 which cost Auburn the game, Vaughn rebounded and only missed 5 kicks the rest of his college career. ESPN College Gameday did special segment on Vaughn to share his story. He is also remembered for a game-winning field goal in 2005 that beat Georgia 31-30 with 0:06 remaining in the game.
Luckily Vaughn rebounded nicely from that game and was the SEC special teams player of the year in 2006.
Posted on 7/23/19 at 11:10 am to Belue2Scott
Is Hot Rod a 6th or 7th year senior? Seems like he has been at UGA forever.
Posted on 7/23/19 at 11:11 am to Auburn80
Posted on 7/23/19 at 11:19 am to mistaken4193
Here’s Kevin Butler’s Georgia Stats:
Kicking Punting
Year School Conf Class Pos G XPM XPA XP% FGM FGA FG% Pts Punts Yds Avg
1981 Georgia SEC K 11 37 38 97.4 19 26 73.1 94
1982 Georgia SEC K 11 34 36 94.4 17 21 81.0 85
1983 Georgia SEC K 11 28 28 100.0 18 23 78.3 82
1984 Georgia SEC K 11 23 23 100.0 23 28 82.1 92
Career Georgia 122 125 97.6 77 98 78.6 353
Here’s Daniel
Kicking Punting
Year School Conf Class Pos G XPM XPA XP% FGM FGA FG% Pts Punts Yds Avg
*2014 Auburn SEC FR K 13 57 57 100.0 18 24 75.0 111 8 317 39.6
*2015 Auburn SEC SO K 13 40 40 100.0 23 27 85.2 109 0 0
*2016 Auburn SEC JR K 13 44 44 100.0 28 32 87.5 128 0 0
*2017 Auburn SEC SR K 14 57 57 100.0 23 31 74.2 126 0 0
Career Auburn 198 198 100.0 92 114 80.7 474 8 317 39.6
I would have said Butler until Carlson arrived but I think people look back and think he was better than he really was. They also blend in his pro career were he got better. In 2015 and 2016 Carlson was dead on the best and was routinely hitting 50 plus yard field goals with no tee. This hurt Carlson in 2017 because Gus would attempt almost anything over 50 and Carlson missed a few thus hurting his percentage. That’s why his FGP is 23 of 31. Also Butler kicked off a tee as all from that era did so I would have to give it to Carlson.
Kicking Punting
Year School Conf Class Pos G XPM XPA XP% FGM FGA FG% Pts Punts Yds Avg
1981 Georgia SEC K 11 37 38 97.4 19 26 73.1 94
1982 Georgia SEC K 11 34 36 94.4 17 21 81.0 85
1983 Georgia SEC K 11 28 28 100.0 18 23 78.3 82
1984 Georgia SEC K 11 23 23 100.0 23 28 82.1 92
Career Georgia 122 125 97.6 77 98 78.6 353
Here’s Daniel
Kicking Punting
Year School Conf Class Pos G XPM XPA XP% FGM FGA FG% Pts Punts Yds Avg
*2014 Auburn SEC FR K 13 57 57 100.0 18 24 75.0 111 8 317 39.6
*2015 Auburn SEC SO K 13 40 40 100.0 23 27 85.2 109 0 0
*2016 Auburn SEC JR K 13 44 44 100.0 28 32 87.5 128 0 0
*2017 Auburn SEC SR K 14 57 57 100.0 23 31 74.2 126 0 0
Career Auburn 198 198 100.0 92 114 80.7 474 8 317 39.6
I would have said Butler until Carlson arrived but I think people look back and think he was better than he really was. They also blend in his pro career were he got better. In 2015 and 2016 Carlson was dead on the best and was routinely hitting 50 plus yard field goals with no tee. This hurt Carlson in 2017 because Gus would attempt almost anything over 50 and Carlson missed a few thus hurting his percentage. That’s why his FGP is 23 of 31. Also Butler kicked off a tee as all from that era did so I would have to give it to Carlson.
Posted on 7/23/19 at 11:20 am to mistaken4193
Definitely, John Vaughn.
4th & 14 at LSU 25 (10:00 - 1st) John Vaughn 41 yard field goal MISSED.
4th & 20 at LSU 37 (9:46 - 3rd) John Vaughn 54 yard field goal MISSED.
4th & 7 at LSU 20 (11:21 - 4th) John Vaughn 37 yard field goal MISSED.
3rd & 5 at LSU 32 (0:01 - 4th) John Vaughn 49 yard field goal MISSED.
4th & 8 at LSU 23 (OT) John Vaughn 39 yard field goal MISSED.
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LSU snaps Auburn's 16-game SEC win streak in overtime
John Vaughn missed five field goals, including a 39-yard attempt in overtime, as Auburn wasted a 218-yard rushing performance by Kenny Irons and fell to LSU 20-17.
4th & 14 at LSU 25 (10:00 - 1st) John Vaughn 41 yard field goal MISSED.
4th & 20 at LSU 37 (9:46 - 3rd) John Vaughn 54 yard field goal MISSED.
4th & 7 at LSU 20 (11:21 - 4th) John Vaughn 37 yard field goal MISSED.
3rd & 5 at LSU 32 (0:01 - 4th) John Vaughn 49 yard field goal MISSED.
4th & 8 at LSU 23 (OT) John Vaughn 39 yard field goal MISSED.
Posted on 7/23/19 at 11:23 am to REBSontheRISE
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the better team lost that day
Do you have the banner hanging in your stadium to prove it?
Posted on 7/23/19 at 11:24 am to WildTchoupitoulas
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3rd & 5 at LSU 32 (0:01 - 4th) John Vaughn 49 yard field goal MISSED.
4th & 8 at LSU 23 (OT) John Vaughn 39 yard field goal MISSED.
Pretty sure both of these hit the post. both game winners if I am not mistaken
Posted on 7/23/19 at 11:38 am to mistaken4193
Weren't in SEC yet, but Jeff Wolfert for Mizzou was automatic on XP's. Never missed one in college career. 82% FG's too. Not to mention being a walk-on AFTER being an All-Conference Diver as a freshman.
This post was edited on 7/23/19 at 11:40 am
Posted on 7/23/19 at 11:43 am to Dawgirl
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His name is Kevin Butler.
Did Larry Munson ever actually say if it was good?
Posted on 7/23/19 at 11:45 am to mistaken4193
Everyone needs to know about the best kicker never to make it to the SEC. His name was Willie Q. Richardson.
Posted on 7/23/19 at 11:47 am to NYCAuburn
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Pretty sure both of these hit the post. both game winners if I am not mistaken
I believe you're right. One hit one upright, then he over-corrected and hit the other in OT.
The year before, this happened...
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2004 season
Alex Serna leads what has been described as a storybook college career, one that did not start out on the best foot. His first game as the starting kicker for Oregon State was a trial by fire. The Beavers opened the 2004 season visiting the reigning 2003 BCS national champions LSU Tigers in their famously raucous Tiger Stadium. The Beavers gave the highly favored Tigers a very close game, however Serna, then a walk-on redshirt freshman, became the focal point when he missed three extra point (PAT) attempts in a game the Beavers lost by one point, 22-21. Complicating matters for Serna, the game ended in an exciting overtime period that hinged on him kicking a PAT to keep the Beavers in the game. When he missed, he immediately pulled off his own helmet and yelled in frustration. An Associated Press photographer caught the moment, and the resulting photo became well publicized by the sports media as a poignant symbol of the trials of kickers in a week where a number of other kickers also missed key kicks.
(Serna would go on to win the 2005 Groza Award.)
Tiger Stadium, where kickers' dreams go to die.
Posted on 7/23/19 at 11:49 am to Pauldingtiger
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Here’s Kevin Butler’s Georgia Stats:
Kicking Punting
Year School Conf Class Pos G XPM XPA XP% FGM FGA FG% Pts Punts Yds Avg
1981 Georgia SEC K 11 37 38 97.4 19 26 73.1 94
1982 Georgia SEC K 11 34 36 94.4 17 21 81.0 85
1983 Georgia SEC K 11 28 28 100.0 18 23 78.3 82
1984 Georgia SEC K 11 23 23 100.0 23 28 82.1 92
Career Georgia 122 125 97.6 77 98 78.6 353
Here’s Daniel
Kicking Punting
Year School Conf Class Pos G XPM XPA XP% FGM FGA FG% Pts Punts Yds Avg
*2014 Auburn SEC FR K 13 57 57 100.0 18 24 75.0 111 8 317 39.6
*2015 Auburn SEC SO K 13 40 40 100.0 23 27 85.2 109 0 0
*2016 Auburn SEC JR K 13 44 44 100.0 28 32 87.5 128 0 0
*2017 Auburn SEC SR K 14 57 57 100.0 23 31 74.2 126 0 0
Career Auburn 198 198 100.0 92 114 80.7 474 8 317 39.6
I would have said Butler until Carlson arrived but I think people look back and think he was better than he really was. They also blend in his pro career were he got better. In 2015 and 2016 Carlson was dead on the best and was routinely hitting 50 plus yard field goals with no tee. This hurt Carlson in 2017 because Gus would attempt almost anything over 50 and Carlson missed a few thus hurting his percentage. That’s why his FGP is 23 of 31. Also Butler kicked off a tee as all from that era did so I would have to give it to Carlson.
So let me see if I see what you're saying here...
- Carlson attempted more FGs than Butler
- Carlson made more FGs than Butler
- Carlson made a higher percentage of FGs attempted than Butler and accomplished that without using a FG tee (like Butler)
- Carlson attempted more XPs than Butler
- Carlson made more XPs than Butler
- Carlson made a higher percentage of XPs attempted than Butler and accomplished that without using a FG tee (like Butler)
- Carlson had more career points than Butler
So, putting on my 1980 UGA MNC mesh-thinking-cap and getting down on my hands and knees and barking for a bit, all that proves to me is this:
Butler >>>>> Carlson
Did I get the math right?
Posted on 7/23/19 at 11:51 am to mistaken4193
Carlson was damned good. But Jasper was about as close to money as you could get.
Posted on 7/23/19 at 11:55 am to beatbammer
Yes looking threw dog glasses Butler was the better kicker in the State of Georgia
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