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re: Barton Simmons/247 ranks the SEC QBs in 2020
Posted on 2/26/20 at 1:01 pm to djsdawg
Posted on 2/26/20 at 1:01 pm to djsdawg
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It’s been explained to you numerous times
The only thing "explained" has been that a decent running game takes pressure off of a quarterback and its been stated by me that Wake's running game was decent yet he still threw a lot of picks.
Thats all yall have "explained".
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Posted on 2/26/20 at 1:02 pm to Porter Osborne Jr
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Then why are you arguing so much over one spot?
Why are yall arguing so much over one spot?
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Certainly sounds like you're arguing he should be ranked higher.
Mond should be ranked over Newman based on what we know now.
Posted on 2/26/20 at 1:06 pm to SidewalkTiger
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Why? Its team rushing stats which the other passer argued takes pressure off a quarterback to take risks in the passing game. Arguably, a dual threat quarterback can take less risks thus his rushing stats should count.
Because we are discussing supporting cast. Newman isn’t part of his supporting cast.
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You should do some research on how flawed passer rating is as a metric.
Says the guy who can’t stop talking about 1 of the 4 parts that goes into the metric.
Posted on 2/26/20 at 1:07 pm to SidewalkTiger
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Eh, all of these lists had Burrow ranked middle of the pack so it doesnt bother me much.
Eh, last time I crossed the street with my eyes closed I didn't get hit so it doesnt bother me much.
Posted on 2/26/20 at 1:09 pm to TheCaterpillar
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7. FELEIPE FRANKS, ARKANSAS
WAYYY too high.
Just wait and see. Alpacamania is about to run wild. You will all eat your words when Franks finishes in the top 20 QBs in the SEC next season.
Posted on 2/26/20 at 1:10 pm to Murph4HOF
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not, what happened to Burrow after the 2018 season to transform him into the runaway 2019 Heisman winner?
Burrow was a very late transfer and had minimal amount of time with his team before 2018
Brand new offense
Brady was fantastic but it’s asinine to think he developed a senior QB into arguably college footballs greatest and undoubtedly the greatest single season performance
He played a role, but as mentioned, he wasn’t even the QB coach
Posted on 2/26/20 at 1:12 pm to SidewalkTiger
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The only thing "explained" has been that a decent running game takes pressure off of a quarterback and its been stated by me that Wake's running game was decent yet he still threw a lot of picks.
Thats all yall have "explained".
The supporting cast point is well above your head.
Posted on 2/26/20 at 1:20 pm to djsdawg
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The supporting cast point is well above your head.
Having that great supporting cast didnt keep Jake Fromm from shitting the bed against South Carolina yet you're trying to convince us a guy who has historically thrown more interceptions per pass attempt than Fromm will suddenly not do it anymore because he's at Georgia now?
You sound like a delusional homer, and thats fine.
Posted on 2/26/20 at 1:21 pm to The Egg
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14. Ken Seals, Vanderbilt
13. Myles Brennan, LSU
12. Shawn Robinson, Mizzou
11. Jarrett Guarantano, Tennessee
10. Ryan Hilinski, South Carolina
9. John Rhys Plumlee, Ole Miss
8. TERRY WILSON, KENTUCKY
7. FELEIPE FRANKS, ARKANSAS
6. BO NIX, AUBURN
5. MAC JONES, ALABAMA
4. KYLE TRASK, FLORIDA
3. KELLEN MOND, TEXAS A&M
2. JAMIE NEWMAN, GEORGIA
1. KJ COSTELLO, MISSISSIPPI STATE
Simmons I suppose could be right about Brennan. I don't really know. I never was especially high on Brennan like a lot of other people. But, at the same time, he could also be very wrong about Brennan as well. In any event, as an LSU fan, I hope he is wrong.
Moreover, with all of the talent that will be surrounding Brennan on the field, I can't foresee how he isn't the top QB or almost the top QB in the SEC unless he is just absolutely horrible and as Simmons predicts.
In fact, if Brennan is as bad as Simmons is predicting he will be, no way does Brennan remain the LSU starting QB for the entire season. LSU just has too many elite players and too much as stake for that to happen.
Nonetheless, after sitting behind Joe Burrow for two full seasons, it's kind of hard for me to believe that a little bit of Joe Burrow didn't rub off on Brennan. If it did, Simmons is going to lose a shitload of credibility as a credible analysts
Posted on 2/26/20 at 1:23 pm to tmjones2
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Eh, last time I crossed the street with my eyes closed I didn't get hit so it doesnt bother me much.
I mean it more of in a sense that Brennan is a major unknown so it isnt worth melting over.
Posted on 2/26/20 at 1:30 pm to SidewalkTiger
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My opinion based on what we've seen so far:
1. Costello
2. Trask
3. Jones
4. Mond
5. Newman
ETA I think Costello, Trask, and Jones are all very close and could be swapped around easily.
Uhm, curious, when did we see players like Costello and Newman play in the SEC?
Posted on 2/26/20 at 1:33 pm to SidewalkTiger
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Having that great supporting cast didnt keep Jake Fromm from shitting the bed against South Carolina yet you're trying to convince us a guy who has historically thrown more interceptions per pass attempt than Fromm will suddenly not do it anymore because he's at Georgia now?
One game isn’t strong evidence, and no one is arguing Fromm had a strong receiving Corp last year.
Now get back to contradicting yourself on interception %.
Posted on 2/26/20 at 1:36 pm to djsdawg
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Now get back to contradicting yourself on interception %.
When did I do that?
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One game isn’t strong evidence, and no one is arguing Fromm had a strong receiving Corp last year.
Jake threw 2 picks against LSU and they lost that game too so now its two games.
This post was edited on 2/26/20 at 1:39 pm
Posted on 2/26/20 at 1:44 pm to tylerdurden24
In my estimation, QBs coming from the weak-arse ACC will find it far harder to be successful in the much stronger SEC. And that goes for both transfer QB, the one transferring from the PAC-12 as well.
As last I checked, Moo State's receivers were horrible. At least they have been for the past few seasons.
Now if they both had a second season to play, they could probably both turn out to be pretty good, but I just don't see it with only one season to play.
Hence, I'm guessing they are both being overrated by Simmons.
As last I checked, Moo State's receivers were horrible. At least they have been for the past few seasons.
Now if they both had a second season to play, they could probably both turn out to be pretty good, but I just don't see it with only one season to play.
Hence, I'm guessing they are both being overrated by Simmons.
Posted on 2/26/20 at 1:44 pm to SidewalkTiger
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When did I do that?
You comment about the flaws of passer rating.
Posted on 2/26/20 at 1:49 pm to djsdawg
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You comment about the flaws of passer rating.
Passer rating is flawed as a metric.
A quarterback who throws a lot of interceptions will lose games because of it.
Those aren't contradictory statements.
Posted on 2/26/20 at 1:49 pm to SidewalkTiger
This isn't really what Barton was doing, but if I had to rank the QBs on where I expect them to finish in QB Passer Rating (assuming they play the whole year)
Top 1-2 will have huge YPAs and tons of TDs with their skill weapons around them and talent and experience in their systems
1. Mac Jones
2. Myles Brennan
Leach's QBs generally have tons of yards but aren't usually at the top of QB Rating because their YPA is lower and they throw some picks. I think Trask is going to throw a few more picks next year with all the new WRs and the fact that the metrics say he got pretty lucky last year not to throw more
3. KJ Costello
4. Jamie Newman
5. Kyle Trask
Not sure what to make of Mond. Nix will improve, how much? Wilson similar. Franks will get a lot of easy throws in Briles offense. Guarantano is going to struggle losing all his receivers. The Muschamp track record with guys like Hilinski is not good.
6. Kellen Mond
7. Bo Nix
8. Terry Wilson
9. Feleipe Franks
10. Ryan Hilinski
11. Jarrett Guarantano
No clue? JR Plumlee will make plays with Kiffin but I'm not sure how many and I'm guessing there are turnovers in there too.
12. Shawn Robinson (who knows)
13. John Rys Plumlee
14. Vanderbilt QB
Top 1-2 will have huge YPAs and tons of TDs with their skill weapons around them and talent and experience in their systems
1. Mac Jones
2. Myles Brennan
Leach's QBs generally have tons of yards but aren't usually at the top of QB Rating because their YPA is lower and they throw some picks. I think Trask is going to throw a few more picks next year with all the new WRs and the fact that the metrics say he got pretty lucky last year not to throw more
3. KJ Costello
4. Jamie Newman
5. Kyle Trask
Not sure what to make of Mond. Nix will improve, how much? Wilson similar. Franks will get a lot of easy throws in Briles offense. Guarantano is going to struggle losing all his receivers. The Muschamp track record with guys like Hilinski is not good.
6. Kellen Mond
7. Bo Nix
8. Terry Wilson
9. Feleipe Franks
10. Ryan Hilinski
11. Jarrett Guarantano
No clue? JR Plumlee will make plays with Kiffin but I'm not sure how many and I'm guessing there are turnovers in there too.
12. Shawn Robinson (who knows)
13. John Rys Plumlee
14. Vanderbilt QB
This post was edited on 2/26/20 at 1:55 pm
Posted on 2/26/20 at 1:51 pm to SidewalkTiger
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Jake threw 2 picks against LSU and they lost that game too so now its two games.
That game more than any doesn’t support any talent advantage talking point. We were decimated by injuries on that game.
Posted on 2/26/20 at 1:52 pm to diddlydawg7
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Melt incoming.
Ranking Brennan 13th is fair considering he hasn't played much. No one knows how he will do.
But don't let logic stand in the way of your pitiful troll attempts. You're almost as pitiful as Georgia in big games.
This post was edited on 2/26/20 at 1:55 pm
Posted on 2/26/20 at 1:54 pm to NattyTiger19
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QBs coming from the weak-arse ACC will find it far harder to be successful in the much stronger SEC.
Yet the transfers end up improving once they leave the acc. Crazy stuff
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