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re: Arian Foster admits to taking money at UT
Posted on 9/20/13 at 2:44 pm to Duke
Posted on 9/20/13 at 2:44 pm to Duke
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Hardly. The cultural root of college football runs much deeper than any minor league baseball team would ever dream of. If schools started paying players a flat salary tomorrow, people wouldn't throw away college football. Like you said...
Exactly. And if every current division 1 football player was magically transferred to a minor league football system, walk on lines would walk out the door, and fans would still show up to watch their school.
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Posted on 9/20/13 at 2:44 pm to LSUFreek
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The football tie-in with educational institutions is absurdly non-sensical. It's like telling Taylor Swift she has to make music free for 4 years while studying forensic science, then you can go record and sell an album after signing with Warner Bros where she can proudly show them that useless degree in forensics.
The NFL is not worried about pissing off millions of people ingrained in college sports.
If these kids want to try another route, they can try their luck in one of these leagues until they make it to the NFL: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_leagues_of_American_and_Canadian_football
Colleges will still have their teams, and the real fans will still go out and support them.
Posted on 9/20/13 at 2:45 pm to Crompdaddy8
frick him, frick frick frick that piece of shite
Posted on 9/20/13 at 2:46 pm to Crompdaddy8
How long do credit card companies keep records?
I would guess that anyone buying 50 tacos at once would put that on their card.
Just name the coach, check his records, and there you go.
I would guess that anyone buying 50 tacos at once would put that on their card.
Just name the coach, check his records, and there you go.
Posted on 9/20/13 at 2:48 pm to TeLeFaWx
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Exactly. And if every current division 1 football player was magically transferred to a minor league football system, walk on lines would walk out the door, and fans would still show up to watch their school.
This guy gets it. Nicely put.
Posted on 9/20/13 at 2:48 pm to TeLeFaWx
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if every current division 1 football player was magically transferred to a minor league football system, walk on lines would walk out the door, and fans would still show up to watch their school.
I see where you're going.
The system is awesome for the kids to get exposure, and thus added value on top of the scholarship. It's true to some degree. Look at your QB, Clowney, Tebow, Newton, ect...
Your average player doesn't get the benefit of that added value though. Don't take that as an argument for paying players, though I think it's bound to happen sooner or later.
Posted on 9/20/13 at 2:49 pm to TeLeFaWx
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but never have I "donated" to Jerry Jones so I can watch my Cowboys. Do you not see the difference?
You "donate" to Jerry Jones every year you buy Cowboys season tix.
Sure, you love your school. It's that passion that makes CFB great.
But would you really love "your school" as much if they didn't have sports? Isn't that the why you love it that much? Would you really donate a "TON of money" to "your school", if the previous 100 years of football tie-ins with universities never happened and NFL minor leagues were in place all along?
I'd betcha you'd "donate" your spare change for some minor league 50 yard season tix.
Posted on 9/20/13 at 2:51 pm to lsutothetop
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that doesn't mean they're fairly compensated.
Of course it does.
If they weren't fairly compensated, they would look for something else to do. This isn't forced labor like some in the thread would imply.
College football players accept a scholarship (and room and board and a stipend) to play football for a university. Apparently they feel like they are being justly compensated - otherwise they wouldn't take the deal.
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or hear me talk about supply and demand
Amirite, Mr. Supplyndemand?
Posted on 9/20/13 at 2:52 pm to 10888bge
quote:Agreed... the AD makes very little for the school, they subsidise the NCAA sports & a few give $5-7 million back to academics but intramural sports are subsidised by student activities fees.
Actually that student will help bring in grants to the university, by working under professors applying for research grants etc. sports aren't the only way schools make money.
Posted on 9/20/13 at 2:54 pm to Crompdaddy8
Tim Brown is fapping on the radio over this. Why did the Raiders ever take that clown? 
This post was edited on 9/20/13 at 2:55 pm
Posted on 9/20/13 at 2:55 pm to xxKylexx
I told yall many times you shouldn't be piling on Manziel - he is the guy that is going to make this happen. He is a bad arse and has given the finger to ESPN and half the world and they are slowly coming back around.
Posted on 9/20/13 at 2:55 pm to Crompdaddy8
RA'd for sticky
Posted on 9/20/13 at 2:55 pm to nc14
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Tim Brown is fapping on the radio over this. Why did the Raiders ever take that clown?
Cause he was really good
Posted on 9/20/13 at 2:56 pm to Duke
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The system is awesome for the kids to get exposure, and thus added value on top of the scholarship. It's true to some degree. Look at your QB, Clowney, Tebow, Newton, ect...
Exactly. And think about the exposure and benefit 99% of those kids get they don't deserve. For every Johnny Manziel, there are a million kids whose marginal talent against a field of other marginal collegiate athletes. Think of the WORST starter on your team. Starter, but not a prayer at the NFL. On the truly "free market" he would be a semi-pro player at best. What is the value of THAT guys talent for a fan if he is playing for a minor league team? None. He is a starter on a good team, zero market for his talent, and he's getting a pretty fricking sweet deal.
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Your average player doesn't get the benefit of that added value though. Don't take that as an argument for paying players, though I think it's bound to happen sooner or later.
I think he does and he's the primary beneficiary, see what I just wrote. MLB players are the highest paid athletes in sports. Their careers are FAR longer than your average NFL player. And yet... what is a minor league contract worth? The average player is the primary beneficiary. The ones that would in a football minor league, for a lack of a more complete analogy, the guy that plays single A for 8 years, lives on a bus traveling to shite hole towns, and makes nothing.
Posted on 9/20/13 at 2:58 pm to Crompdaddy8
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2. There is no reason to compensate the players beyond tuition, student housing, and food.
People act as if a free ride to Texas or Notre Dame isn't enough for these players. The problem is that these athletes don't seize those amazing opportunities to get a degree that will ensure successful employment even if they don't make it in the NFL. If there were more SEC tailbacks getting engineering, business, or other high opportunity degrees, this wouldn't be an issue.
2. There is no reason to compensate the players beyond tuition, student housing, and food.
People act as if a free ride to Texas or Notre Dame isn't enough for these players. The problem is that these athletes don't seize those amazing opportunities to get a degree that will ensure successful employment even if they don't make it in the NFL. If there were more SEC tailbacks getting engineering, business, or other high opportunity degrees, this wouldn't be an issue.
Posted on 9/20/13 at 3:02 pm to PropJoe
quote:A booster paying $25,000 to a 5-star recruit isn't a rational part of a functioning economic system. Don't pretend it is.
They are also free to go out in the market and get their fair value while still retaining academic aid.
Posted on 9/20/13 at 3:03 pm to Crompdaddy8
Nothing will come of this, but looks like Foster couldn't help but distance himself even more from the Tennessee fan base.
Posted on 9/20/13 at 3:05 pm to npt817
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The NFL is not worried about pissing off millions of people ingrained in college sports.
Yes they are. It's a multi-billion dollar industry. Why would you think they wouldn't want a part of it unless it would cause their other main business to falter/fail.
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If these kids want to try another route, they can try their luck in one of these leagues until they make it to the NFL: LINK
CFB traditionalists & their talented sons have been brainwashed that going the college route is the only way to train for the NFL. Any other option is considered sub-minor leagues. That's why those leagues don't get the big players, don't get the revenue to succeed like CFB.
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Colleges will still have their teams, and the real fans will still go out and support them.
IF the NFL was paying hundreds to millions of dollars for football players out of high school, it would have 98% of the eligible recruits in five years and hauling in new TV contracts. What audience you think would show up at college stadiums to watch Fred, Bobby, & Joe display their recreational park level talent?
Furthermore, you don't even get a degree in football. That alone makes the football tie-in with the NCAA blatantly stupid.
Posted on 9/20/13 at 3:06 pm to dallasga6
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Agreed... the AD makes very little for the school, they subsidise the NCAA sports & a few give $5-7 million back to academics but intramural sports are subsidised by student activities fees.
Texas A&M raises $740 million
Texas A&M experienced a 10 percent rise in applications for this school year, which isn't unusual for schools with athletic success. But A&M issued a standard number of offers of admission – and expected, based on history, that 8,700 students would accept. Instead, more than 10,000 did, leading to the largest freshman class in school history.
Add it all up – more students from outside Alabama paying ever-increasing premium tuition bills – and the school realized $50 million more in out-of-state tuition revenue for last fall’s incoming class than it did for the same class in 2007 ($76 million vs. $26 million). Kick in the additional $8.5 million in in-state tuition, which rose to $9,200 a year from $6,400 over the same period, and overall tuition revenue rose to $104 million from $46 million for the respective 2012 and 2007 freshman classes. And to boot, the school’s most recent capital campaign (i.e. donations from alumni and others) raised $600 million for scholarships and facilities, the most ever.
And as someone that lives in the metroplex, you should be privy to this mindset, and if you don't have kids, you'll realize it soon. The DFW metroplex has what? 7 million people? That figure is only going up. Dallas and Houston's economies are out of control. If you're not familiar with the top 10% rule, I'll tell you as some that went to high school at a highly competitive high school(Plano West Class of 2007 Go Wolfpack), that athletics have A LOT to do with where these kids go if they can't get in to tu or Texas A&M. Oklahoma had 107 kids from my graduating class. The class that graduated after me had an even higher number go to Arkansas. Rich kids out the arse that grew up with silver spoons in their mouths not applying for a penny of financial aid, went in droves. Let's list places where you can get a better education for cheaper than paying out of state tuition to Oklahoma or Arkansas...
Posted on 9/20/13 at 3:07 pm to Crompdaddy8
You know what's absolutely bull shite about that statement?
I used to see Arian Foster in the Gibbs cafeteria daily. All athletes live in the Gibbs dorm and all get to eat free at the cafeteria (which is by far the nicest on campus). The cafeteria is about 80% athletes, 20% students.
I had a meal plan there because I worked in the building next door and it was expensive as hell.
Also, football players had special diets and could usually go by and get an extra meal during the day.
The food was top notch. It was a huge step above the other cafeterias. You name it, you could get it there.
I used to see Arian Foster in the Gibbs cafeteria daily. All athletes live in the Gibbs dorm and all get to eat free at the cafeteria (which is by far the nicest on campus). The cafeteria is about 80% athletes, 20% students.
I had a meal plan there because I worked in the building next door and it was expensive as hell.
Also, football players had special diets and could usually go by and get an extra meal during the day.
The food was top notch. It was a huge step above the other cafeterias. You name it, you could get it there.
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