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re: Arian Foster admits to taking money at UT
Posted on 9/20/13 at 4:28 pm to Crompdaddy8
Posted on 9/20/13 at 4:28 pm to Crompdaddy8
Stop reducing entrance requirements, stop being the minor leagues for the NFL and NBA and this problem is solved.
I will not watch college football if it's turned into pro sports.
I will not watch college football if it's turned into pro sports.
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Posted on 9/20/13 at 4:30 pm to LSUFreek
The only way minor league football would be a draw is if the schedule was not played at the same time as the NFL schedule. Even then it's still doubtful to me when you look at the failure of football leagues not called the NFL in this country.
Posted on 9/20/13 at 4:31 pm to PropJoe
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PropJoe
Arian Foster admits to taking money at UT
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You do understand what Title IX is right?
Letting people outside the university pay these kids for their services would have no effect on title 9.
So, to answer the question, you have zero understanding of Title IX.
You can talk about paying players as if they were employees or third party individuals until you're blue in the face, but as long as the US Department of Education...the agency that doles out federal funding to universities...calls them students, they can't pay one cent to a male athlete that they don't pay to a female athlete.
This post was edited on 9/20/13 at 4:33 pm
Posted on 9/20/13 at 4:33 pm to VABuckeye
Agree. College football works because people are so tied in to the college they attended, or the college they think represents their state in the case they did not attend a big school.
Minor league football would work about as well as minor league baseball. Somewhat popular, maybe, but you won't be seeing big ratings on TV.
Why would I watch some Dallas Cowboys farm system if that is all it is? I'll just watch the Cowboys and be on my way.
Minor league football would work about as well as minor league baseball. Somewhat popular, maybe, but you won't be seeing big ratings on TV.
Why would I watch some Dallas Cowboys farm system if that is all it is? I'll just watch the Cowboys and be on my way.
Posted on 9/20/13 at 4:34 pm to LSUFreek
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You'd be in the minority. No one is showing up for rec park level football. I'm proud I graduated from Charity School of nursing, but I'd be damned if I'm going to watch some half-wit pickup game barren of talent.
You're insane if you don't think college loyalty alone generates interest.
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So if the state of Alabama had one minor league team, and had a combined roster that includes Marshall, McCarron, Yeldon, Mason, Payne, Mosely, ect and they were playing Georgia's state team that included Aaron Murray, Gurley, Marshall, etc.. are you seriously trying to tell me that zero fricks would be given? You wouldn't root on your local minor league team against Georgia's minor league team? It's all the players on the rosters you love now, only added even more talent.
No. I would give zero fricks til they made it to the Dallas Cowboys, just like every single minor league sport in the history the world is. No one would have ANY idea who those players were because you don't prove yourself nationally on a minor league team. If you were half way decent you would get shipped up, and hold a clip board. And I think you're missing why people care about college football. I wouldn't tailgate, I would absolutely NEVER travel to an away minor league stadium in bumfrick no where, I wouldn't wear a minor league team's logo, I wouldn't donate to the general manager, I wouldn't go to the office and wear my minor league team's shirt with pride after a win. Do you really not understand that the pageantry and loyalty of college football has absolutely NOTHING to do with the talent, right? People aren't spending massive amounts of money for some love of Xs and Os.
Do you really think that is what it boils down to? You really think anyone would care at all about minor league teams? You seem to be blinded by some weird sense of familiarity you think could be transferred. Take every name you know right now out of the equation. You're telling me you'd spend thousands of dollars to travel to a brand new stadium of 30,000 seats in Dodge, Wisconsin, to watch your minor league team take on a bunch of high school stars from the Badger State making 40k a year who are just trying to stay healthy before they get called up? You are completely missing this.
Posted on 9/20/13 at 4:44 pm to LSUFreek
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You are still operating under the misguided idea that colleges would still get talented players or that masses of people would fill college stadiums to watch Pete, Paul, & Poopy play touch-football. They wouldn't.
If you think that the minor leaugue system could drain literally all the talent and then some. Some kids would still take a free education, and college baseball still exists, as an LSU fan who is probably aware that the majority of those kids don't even get full rides, I don't get why you're taking this stance.
Do you know how hard it is to fill out a roster? What's your ideal scenario, one minor league team per state so it mimicks the state-loyalty that drives a t-shirt fan base like LSU? Okay. One fan base per state. How many division one athletes come out each year? Give me the numbers that suit your argument the best, that promote a profitable minor league, and we can continue to discuss.
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All of the talented players & talented coaches would be on minor league rosters. The nation would watch, just as it does now, only the management group would be a different name. Which means TV revenue, etc goes to where the talent is, meaning colleges can no longer afford new stadiums or events that no one shows up to. Thus everyone would watch minor league football and root on their favorite teams.
No. This is so far off base I don't know what to tell you.
Posted on 9/20/13 at 4:45 pm to VABuckeye
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The only way minor league football would be a draw is if the schedule was not played at the same time as the NFL schedule. Even then it's still doubtful to me when you look at the failure of football leagues not called the NFL in this country.
This would be the NFL, not some semi-pro posers.
College football rosters would be absent of talent after the NFL buys all the players. No network will pay for talentless flag football-like games by gimp student athletes and no audience would show up at the stadiums.
The minor leagues would have the same rosters in the same markets playing rival states every Saturday broadcast by the same networks. Everyone would watch if its the only game in town. It would work and it would be profitable.
But as I've said, it won't happen because the NFL execs would be protested, rioted & lynched by some crazy CFB fanatics for destroying their sacred game who are currently bitching about a player getting free tacos.
Posted on 9/20/13 at 4:47 pm to BigD Ag
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Agree. College football works because people are so tied in to the college they attended, or the college they think represents their state in the case they did not attend a big school.
Minor league football would work about as well as minor league baseball. Somewhat popular, maybe, but you won't be seeing big ratings on TV.
Why would I watch some Dallas Cowboys farm system if that is all it is? I'll just watch the Cowboys and be on my way.
Correct. A farm system. And why would you spend money on
Posted on 9/20/13 at 4:51 pm to LSUFreek
quote:It would be just as popular as the NBA Developmental League or the XFL... which, by the way used regional rosters like your talking about...
This would be the NFL, not some semi-pro posers.
Plus there's 32 NFL teams they would prolly only fund 1 minor league team a piece due to cost & available talent. If they have 60 player rosters thats 1800 players max... So saying the avg. development time is 3 years to advance or start digging ditches for a living for these kids your looking at about 600 of the best HS players bypassing CFB every year...
That would not sound the death knell for CFB...
This post was edited on 9/20/13 at 4:59 pm
Posted on 9/20/13 at 4:54 pm to LSUFreek
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College football rosters would be absent of talent after the NFL buys all the players. No network will pay for talentless flag football-like games by gimp student athletes and no audience would show up at the stadiums.
This is so wrong. First off, the NFL couldn't afford all the players, and there is no forced attrition. Think of all the D-1 QBs that come out of high school every year. Tim Tebow would be the starter for the Florida minor league team for the next decade, the Andrew Lucks of the world would look at a shitty minor league salary where you're a dime a dozen, no chance to play as an 18 year old when some 30 year old minor league players has been cemented in his 60k a year job for over a decade, so you can get a Stanford education and play football. A free education has intrinsic value a minor league system wouldn't destroy.
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The minor leagues would have the same rosters in the same markets playing rival states every Saturday broadcast by the same networks. Everyone would watch if its the only game in town. It would work and it would be profitable.
It wouldn't be the only game in town, and no one would watch.
Posted on 9/20/13 at 4:56 pm to LSUdm21
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These fricking college players are pissing me the frick off with their "we deserve to be paid" bullshite. You're getting something FOR frickING FREE that costs normal people $10K+ per year plus free clothes and all the other perks that come with being a big time college athlete. Oh, and he's full of shite. Athletic scholarships have included meal plans since forever and there has always been free snacks and shite. Cry me a fricking river.
I agree 100%. I'm still paying off student loans from 10 years ago and not a single one of these guys had to pay for anything. If they were hungry, it's their own damn fault. They could eat as much as they wanted to and had access to food all day long. I think this is total bullshite.
Posted on 9/20/13 at 4:59 pm to dallasga6
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Plus there's 32 NFL teams they would prolly only fund 1 minor league team a piece due to cost & available talent. If they have 60 player rosters thats 1800 players max... That would not sound the death knell for CFB...
And how many of those are looking for a QB every year? Your players don't graduate. Maybe half? A quarter? There will still be handfuls of 4 star QBs not offered an NFL minor league contract.
Posted on 9/20/13 at 5:02 pm to Run DMC
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I'm still paying off student loans from 10 years ago and not a single one of these guys had to pay for anything.
Not true.
Posted on 9/20/13 at 5:04 pm to LSUFreek
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The minor leagues would have the same rosters in the same markets playing rival states every Saturday broadcast by the same networks. Everyone would watch if its the only game in town. It would work and it would be profitable.
And I think you are just simply categorizing LSU t shirt fans with state pride as some national phenomenon, and you have just experience a decade of success where you and your fans are cheering on winners, losers exists, and they don't get support just because it is the state. People will not watch a shitty minor league team go 0-12. Why the frick would ANYONE care if the New Orleans Saints minor league team go rolled by some high school all stars from Alabama? No one would care. No one. You wouldn't get fans to fill up the stadium. Why would you pay more for a minor league ticket than an NFL ticket? No one would treat it the same as a college team. No one.
Posted on 9/20/13 at 5:06 pm to TeLeFaWx
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You're telling me you'd spend thousands of dollars to travel to a brand new stadium of 30,000 seats in Dodge, Wisconsin, to watch your minor league team take on a bunch of high school stars from the Badger State making 40k a year who are just trying to stay healthy before they get called up? You are completely missing this.
The NFL does not take players earlier than 3 years right now because most players are not physically ready for the real NFL. So there wouldn't be any "calling up" situations until 3 years are up. You'd have the same system in place that currently exists.
Before this gets out of hand that I don't have time for, I don't want CFB to change. And I've stated it won't ever change, at least not without someone's murder.
I'm just noting the hypocrisy of NCAA cartel brainwashing CFB fans that their way is the only way to get players into football and their self-righteous insinuations that players should feel privileged to get fricked over by their school cuz "they get a free education!" that none of the players asked for, but were forced to sign in order to get football trade skills.
No, there is another way, and the NFL could easily shut down CFB if it wanted to, but it won't and I'm glad. But it could.
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Posted on 9/20/13 at 5:07 pm to Crompdaddy8
I really don't get the "no food" thing. All universities require you to be on a meal plan and I'm sure the football team has specialty dinners anyway.
I don't get it.
I don't get it.
Posted on 9/20/13 at 5:08 pm to LSUFreek
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noting the hypocrisy of NCAA cartel brainwashing CFB fans that their way is the only way to get players into football and their self-righteous insinuations that players should feel privileged to get fricked over by there school cuz "they get a free education!" that none of the players asked for, but were forced to sign in order to get football trade skills.
fricking bingo.
Posted on 9/20/13 at 5:08 pm to LSUFreek
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If the NFL paid every player on the rosters from the SEC, Big Ten, Big 12, PAC12 etc and put all of their current players on a minor league team in those same markets, in 5 years give or take a handful of stragglers, colleges would be devoid of talent because every player would jump at the money and level of competition. You would not be attending any CFB games and certainly not donating money to your school's athletic foundation any longer, that is a fact. You'd probably be buying your states' minor league team season tix and passionately rooting them on, without the extra volunteered charity.
This is where you are missing the point. If all of the top level talent opted to go to a minor league team instead of college, the colleges would still play football. They would not have the fastest players but when each team lines up with 11 they would still stack up competitively. And yes fans would still go to cheer on their school and hope their school wins. The reason college football is as big as it is has everything to do with how passionate the fans are about their schools.
Posted on 9/20/13 at 5:11 pm to npt817
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The reason college football is as big as it is has everything to do with how passionate the fans are about their schools.
Passion is only part of it. I'll always be proud of my alma mater, but I'm also a fan of GOOD football.
Posted on 9/20/13 at 5:19 pm to LSUFreek
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College football rosters would be absent of talent after the NFL buys all the players. No network will pay for talentless flag football-like games by gimp student athletes and no audience would show up at the stadiums.
The minor leagues would have the same rosters in the same markets playing rival states every Saturday broadcast by the same networks. Everyone would watch if its the only game in town. It would work and it would be profitable.
Freek, how many minor league baseball games have you watched on your tv in your lifetime?
Now how many college baseball games have you watched?
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