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re: Arian Foster admits to taking money at UT
Posted on 9/20/13 at 6:46 pm to FooManChoo
Posted on 9/20/13 at 6:46 pm to FooManChoo
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You guys complaining about players not being compensated appropriately don't know much about economics. An "employee's" value is only as much as someone is willing to "pay" him. I might think that I'm worth a hell of a lot more than I'm getting paid for my job, but if no one is willing to pay me what I think I'm owed, I'm not really worth that much, regardless of how much perceived or real value I bring to the company. It doesn't work that way anyway. Just because I made my company an extra million dollars last year doesn't mean I'm worth a million dollars to my company (in salary + benefits). If someone else can bring in that much money and accept a lower pay, I'll get canned so that the new guy can cost the company less. Same for anything that operates in the market, such as football. If players feel like they are worth more than a scholarship (and the perks and benefits that come with it), then they are free to take their skills and abilities elsewhere to try to get what they think they are worth. Problem is that there are limited avenues for making money with a talent for football.
this, a million times.
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Posted on 9/20/13 at 6:47 pm to TeLeFaWx
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Why are they fricked? Because a booster can't pay them all the money they want?
Like I said in an earlier post, CFB is entertainment much like tv, movies, and music where talented kids can become millionaires over-night.
But if avenues into the music industry were as limited to the structure of the Nazi NCAA rules, well,...
... Taylor Swift would have to make hit records for the school over the next four years, sell out stadiums with crowds, never see a dime of the millions she brought the school, be forced to study Paleo-Russian literature, if she doesn't keep up her grades, she sees no studio time, and hopes there's some grub in her dorm room fridge. Then after four years, she can sign with a record company, make millions, and show off that useless $40k Paleo-Russian Lit degree she was forced to take as "compensation" along with a free dorm and cafeteria meals.
So Taylor Swift would be fricked financially while she was in school, just like current football athletes. All that unconditional love & educational "freebies" from wealthy alumni, coaches, and administrators means diddly-squat to her when she is hungry at midnight. It's an immoral arrangement to deny someone wages for four years of work.
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This post was edited on 9/20/13 at 7:08 pm
Posted on 9/20/13 at 6:57 pm to LSUFreek
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Like I said in an earlier post, CFB is entertainment much like tv, movies, and music where talented kids can become millionaires over-night.
But if avenues into the music industry were as limited to the structure of the Nazi NCAA rules, well,...
And I've tried to explain to you your example is flawed. The entertainment is not like that of a singer. These players talents intrinsic value is not based on the ability to block, catch, pass. It is only based on that ability in tandem of doing it for these collegiate institutions. The venue matters. These venues are cultural institutions tied the very foundation of these fans lives, their colleges. It is only in that context where it is worth millions.
If you don't believe me, and you obviously don't, lets start putting numbers to it.
NFL Minor Leagues in your idealist world.
How many teams?
How many people on the rosters?
How many rounds in the NFL high school draft?
Posted on 9/20/13 at 7:15 pm to TeLeFaWx
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And I've tried to explain to you your example is flawed. These players talents intrinsic value is not based on the ability to block, catch, pass. It is only based on that ability in tandem of doing it for these collegiate institutions. The venue matters. These venues are cultural institutions tied the very foundation of these fans lives, their colleges. It is only in that context where it is worth millions.
No it's not. It is a spot-on correlation.
I'll replace your words with my example:
"These musicians talents intrinsic value is not based on the ability to sing, play guitar, or play drums. It is only based on that ability in tandem of doing it for these collegiate institutions. The venue matters. These venues are cultural institutions tied the very foundation of these fans lives, their colleges. It is only in that context where it is worth millions."
She's still doing it for the school, for the alumni, to be their next great "singing" star from their school. Selling out stadiums. Being loved by alumni. Getting a free education.
And getting fricked if the music industry played by NCAA rules.
Posted on 9/20/13 at 7:21 pm to LSUFreek
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She's still doing it for the school, for the alumni, to be their next great "singing" star from their school. Selling out stadiums. Being loved by alumni. Getting a free education.
Lol. What? I have never bragged to my coworker that our tween country/pop singer beat his school's country/pop singer. No part of your analogy works.
Posted on 9/20/13 at 7:40 pm to TeLeFaWx
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If you don't believe me, and you obviously don't, lets start putting numbers to it
You want numbers? How bout Neilsen ratings. That's what drives billion dollar network contracts, not which fanbase has the most pom-pom waving in alumni sections.
Go compare an average NFL game to an average CFB game? It's like Seinfeld vs Low Winter Sun.
The NFL could do a minor league with the same non-draft formula as the European NFL league had.
Every state could have a team with no specific team affiliation.
Players can go to any developmental league they want.
All the owners equally pay all the salaries of the developmental league's coaches, players, staff, travel.
75 players per team. I'm eliminating the walk-on spots.
Stars and scrubs could be paid to scale where even the lowest wage would be more than players are paid now.
Players are drafted when the 3-year developmental eligibility just like the NFL does now.
After 4 years, if you are undrafted, you are a free agent to sign with any NFL team interested.
CFB would be finished, but nobody is robbed of 4 years of wages.
Posted on 9/20/13 at 7:45 pm to LSUFreek
Don't waste your time, telewafax or whatever he spell his handle name, is invested in his answers, he will never accept your rational explanation of the whole thing. You are right of course. 
Posted on 9/20/13 at 7:50 pm to TeLeFaWx
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I have never bragged to my coworker that our tween country/pop singer beat his school's country/pop singer.
Because the music industry is not dumb like the NCAA. IF it were like the NCAA (which it is not) but if it were (as in my hypothesis where musicians can only go through school before breaking out), you're damn right I'd be bragging if Led Zeppelin was from my school, and laughing that Taylor Swift was from yours.
So the analogy of school pride to its stars is perfectly analogous. I don't know how you are not comprehending such a simple analogy. Replace athletes with musicians. Put them through the same route of training for their trade. frick them over by not paying them for four years just like the NCAA does athletes.
(Side note: Musicians have a far greater fan base than any CFB fanbase ever dreamed about. So to deny a musician of four years of wages would even be more immoral & unjust cuz the school could make gazillionz)
Posted on 9/20/13 at 7:52 pm to LSUFreek
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You want numbers? How bout Neilsen ratings. That's what drives billion dollar network contracts, not which fanbase has the most pom-pom waving in alumni sections.
Go compare an average NFL game to an average CFB game? It's like Seinfeld vs Low Winter Sun.
The NFL could do a minor league with the same non-draft formula as the European NFL league had.
Every state could have a team with no specific team affiliation.
Players can go to any developmental league they want.
All the owners equally pay all the salaries of the developmental league's coaches, players, staff, travel.
75 players per team. I'm eliminating the walk-on spots.
Stars and scrubs could be paid to scale where even the lowest wage would be more than players are paid now.
Players are drafted when the 3-year developmental eligibility just like the NFL does now.
After 4 years, if you are undrafted, you are a free agent to sign with any NFL team interested.
CFB would be finished, but nobody is robbed of 4 years of wages.
This is just so wrong on just about every level, but I'm gonna go get drunk.
Posted on 9/20/13 at 9:36 pm to LSUFreek
Freek, now I see how you come up with your awesome and crazy stuff. You are just out there man.
Posted on 9/20/13 at 10:13 pm to npt817
So Fat Phil testifies against Bama...when in truth all he was doing was describing what he was doing, and sticking Bama's name on it.
That's priceless.
That's priceless.
Posted on 9/20/13 at 10:40 pm to Crompdaddy8
This whole "pay the athlete" thing is really getting old.
These guys get "paid", in the form of a free education in exchange for them performing on the football field. They pocket money legally from the school every month.
If they think it's that big a sham, they don't have to play. If you are good enough, you show up to a try out three years after you graduate high school and hope you make an NFL team. There is no requirement to go to college to play in the NFL.
These college provide room and board, a great education in many places, and more food than a lot of these guys ever had growing up, but they just want more because the college makes money off of the service these players are compensated to do.
These guys get "paid", in the form of a free education in exchange for them performing on the football field. They pocket money legally from the school every month.
If they think it's that big a sham, they don't have to play. If you are good enough, you show up to a try out three years after you graduate high school and hope you make an NFL team. There is no requirement to go to college to play in the NFL.
These college provide room and board, a great education in many places, and more food than a lot of these guys ever had growing up, but they just want more because the college makes money off of the service these players are compensated to do.
Posted on 9/20/13 at 11:07 pm to cubsfan5150
So you guys are talking about a drastic overhaul in both the collegiate and professional football systems just so players who are getting a free education, free room and board, free meals, free tutoring, and free coaching from professional coaches (to help them make a multi-million dollar career in the NFL) for their efforts (which they love to do) can also get paid some extra cash, as well.
Seems legit.
Seems legit.
Posted on 9/20/13 at 11:14 pm to cubsfan5150
Anyone who thinks a "transparent system that can be regulated" wouldn't be abused just as much as the current system is just dumb.
Plus someone please explain to me how a "Pay scale" system would work since it is the most "fair"
Does a player get more his freshman year for being a big recruit?
Does he receive less money if he under performs? Who decides who gets paid what?
Does a player receive more for selling more merchandise? ie jerseys, photos, autographs, ect?
OR
Do we go with everyone gets the same which doesn't seem far to the "star players"
Why should a bench warmer receive as mush as the guy who makes millions for the school?
My bottom line is that there are too many variables to provide all of the "fairness" that everyone is seeking.
Personal note: I have to sacrifice a lot of things in order to get my education. Its called life. If the desire to have more money is greater than the desire to continue playing and receiving the benefits they are currently receiving than these players may have to sacrifice something.
Plus someone please explain to me how a "Pay scale" system would work since it is the most "fair"
Does a player get more his freshman year for being a big recruit?
Does he receive less money if he under performs? Who decides who gets paid what?
Does a player receive more for selling more merchandise? ie jerseys, photos, autographs, ect?
OR
Do we go with everyone gets the same which doesn't seem far to the "star players"
Why should a bench warmer receive as mush as the guy who makes millions for the school?
My bottom line is that there are too many variables to provide all of the "fairness" that everyone is seeking.
Personal note: I have to sacrifice a lot of things in order to get my education. Its called life. If the desire to have more money is greater than the desire to continue playing and receiving the benefits they are currently receiving than these players may have to sacrifice something.
Posted on 9/20/13 at 11:18 pm to LSUFreek
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Taylor Swift
Your terrible example was made even worse by using this whiny bitch
Posted on 9/20/13 at 11:27 pm to LSUFreek
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The NFL could do a minor league with the same non-draft formula as the European NFL league had.
Sure they could. They could do lots of things, but they don't. Why haven't they done it already? Because they don't believe it's a better option.
Stick to making gifs. That's what you're good at.
Posted on 9/21/13 at 8:04 am to npt817
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Freek, how many minor league baseball games have you watched on your tv in your lifetime?
Now how many college baseball games have you watched?
You think there may be a reason that baseball isn't nearly as popular as football and basketball at the college level?
Posted on 9/21/13 at 8:49 am to BigOrangeBri
I bet he took the money and then dropped it
This post was edited on 9/21/13 at 8:51 am
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