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re: Are Tennessee fans legitimately angry about being behind Bama?
Posted on 11/30/22 at 7:37 am to Toroballistic
Posted on 11/30/22 at 7:37 am to Toroballistic
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Bama is one bad pass interference call against Tennessee away from being a one loss division champ.
Exactly which pass interference play are you referring to?
Posted on 11/30/22 at 7:41 am to Sooner a Reb
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So does the committee take critical injuries like that into consideration? Could that make the difference in a situation where it is basically a tossup between to two teams? I'm not sure if they do, but I seem to remember some talk of this in previous years.
Personally I see both sides, I tend to place more weight on H2H when the records are the same, but if you asked me right NOW if Alabama was a better team than a Tennessee team sans HH, I'd say absolutely.
Thats basically what im asking. What is the Criteria? Is it the eye test? Are we judging these teams based on the talent on the teams and who we think would most likely win? If thats the case Ohio state and Bama should both be in over TCU regardless if they go undefeated. What if in the championship game USC wins but caleb williams hurts his ankle, does that mean bama should get in over them?
Posted on 11/30/22 at 7:45 am to themicah85
quote:The thing is that it wasn’t a close loss to UGA. The final score wasn’t indicative to how dominated TN was in that game, and the playoff committee saw that. Both of losses were beat downs. The kicker is that one of the beat downs was to the Gamecocks.
If youre going to use us losing by 13 to the number 1 team in the country i guess thats fair.
With Hooker gone, the CFPC is just showing that the same team that got blown out twice doesn’t even have its best weapon available. It’s a fair assessment on their part.
Posted on 11/30/22 at 7:50 am to FooManChoo
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The thing is that it wasn’t a close loss to UGA. The final score wasn’t indicative to how dominated TN was in that game, and the playoff committee saw that. Both of losses were beat downs. The kicker is that one of the beat downs was to the Gamecocks.
With Hooker gone, the CFPC is just showing that the same team that got blown out twice doesn’t even have its best weapon available. It’s a fair assessment on their part.
Ok, So answer my question. If bowers, the qb for TCU or the QB for usc were to get injured during their championship game appearances and their teams squeak by. Injured as in they wont be healthy for the playoffs. You agree that the playoff committee would be justified in moving them down due to that injury? Even if it meant moving USC out of it and Bama or Ohio state in?
Posted on 11/30/22 at 8:03 am to InkStainedWretch
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Head-to-head competition is not and never will be the committee’s overarching criteria in situations like this. What fans think is irrelevant.
This is such a stupid thought process (not by you, but in general). If head to head doesn't matter, then why play the games in the first place?
Posted on 11/30/22 at 8:04 am to VFL1800FPD
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Bama fans conveniently forget that an absolutely awful call gifted them the Texas game, which is arguably their best win.
Tennessee fans conveniently ignore that with corrupt or inept officials ut beat alabama at home by a pt on the last play.
The official didn't call this bogus interference until McKinstry was about the 35 yard line after the interception that would have sealed the game, Alabama up by 7 pts.
Posted on 11/30/22 at 8:09 am to Psycho Ray
That Bama was two referee gifts away fron being a 4 loss team.
Irony here since UT was gifted the Bama game by the refs. Oh and Bama has not lost to an unranked team period since 2007 much less given up 63 points to one.
Irony here since UT was gifted the Bama game by the refs. Oh and Bama has not lost to an unranked team period since 2007 much less given up 63 points to one.
Posted on 11/30/22 at 8:12 am to themicah85
quote:The two blowouts were enough to keep TN out, though. The Hooker loss was an unfortunate cherry on top.
Ok, So answer my question. If bowers, the qb for TCU or the QB for usc were to get injured during their championship game appearances and their teams squeak by. Injured as in they wont be healthy for the playoffs. You agree that the playoff committee would be justified in moving them down due to that injury? Even if it meant moving USC out of it and Bama or Ohio state in?
That said, that would be a factor for the playoff committee to consider. It would be a lot harder to weight that one factor over everything else, but it might be considered with all other aspects of their decision.
I think you are focusing on the wrong issue, though. It wasn’t Hooker’s injury alone, but the fact that TN got blown out by two teams while he was healthy, and his backup isn’t on his level. The Hooker injury just made the decision easier to boost Bama, it seems.
Posted on 11/30/22 at 8:19 am to BigMob
Bama’s best win is now Miss St.
Congrats.
Congrats.
Posted on 11/30/22 at 8:23 am to VADawg
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This is such a stupid thought process (not by you, but in general). If head to head doesn't matter, then why play the games in the first place?
There is precedent from the basketball selection committee when a top player is injured and it always moves that team down in the tournament seedings. I get the argument is between head to head or a bad loss, which is a good argument, but I think with Hooker out I would give the nod to Bama, just the same as if Young were out I would give the nod to Tennessee.
Posted on 11/30/22 at 8:28 am to bigDgator
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There is precedent from the basketball selection committee when a top player is injured and it always moves that team down in the tournament seedings. I get the argument is between head to head or a bad loss, which is a good argument, but I think with Hooker out I would give the nod to Bama, just the same as if Young were out I would give the nod to Tennessee.
The Hooker situation does make this different, but the committee and fans have ignored head to head results before (2014 TCU/Baylor, 2016 Ohio State/Penn State) for whatever reason and it makes no sense to me.
Posted on 11/30/22 at 8:35 am to BLG
quote:Idiotic Bammers conveniently forget that the refs were letting them slide all day.
Tennessee fans conveniently ignore that with corrupt or inept officials ut beat alabama at home by a pt on the last play.
This was not called.
YOU GOT BEAT! Deal with it.
Posted on 11/30/22 at 8:37 am to Psycho Ray
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Psycho Ray
It's going to be okay, Ray.
Posted on 11/30/22 at 8:40 am to JohnnyFins
Here’s what I understand:
VOLS beat bama irl and I don’t give af about a meaningless playoff committee ranking.
VOLS beat bama irl and I don’t give af about a meaningless playoff committee ranking.
Posted on 11/30/22 at 8:54 am to MikeHuntVFL
Thank you!!! Who cares what either one of them is ranked right now. Why is this an issue?
Posted on 11/30/22 at 8:59 am to VADawg
I won’t say that the CFP has basically rendered the regular season moot as in pro sports, there still are few enough games where you lose more than once you’re going to have issues unless strange things happen. But it’s changed the dynamic enough where head to head simply is not going to be a mic drop. They are absolutely going to prioritize where teams are in the first weekend of December, not what might have happened on the third weekend in October. I didn’t say I liked it, but it is what it is.
Posted on 11/30/22 at 9:44 am to JohnnyFins
I don't have a dog in this fight, and Tennessee fans are somehow far more obnoxious than Alabama fans, but Tennessee has the same record, finished in the same spot in their respective division, and beat Alabama head-to-head. They should be ranked ahead imo.
I know they got rocked by South Carolina and Alabama barely lost their games, but Alabama nonetheless lost to the team that was rocked by South Carolina.
I know they got rocked by South Carolina and Alabama barely lost their games, but Alabama nonetheless lost to the team that was rocked by South Carolina.
Posted on 11/30/22 at 9:49 am to JohnnyFins
Bama is 0-2 against top 15 teams.
UT is 2-1 against Top 15 teams
UT is 2-0 against common opponents
Bama is 1-1 against common opponents
UT won Head to head
UT has better strength of schedule
Bama best wins are against #20 Texas and #25 Miss State. Both have lost 4 games each.
UT best wins are against #6 Bama, and #14 LSU on the road.
It’s pretty clear that UT has a better resume and “body of work”. Yes it’s true that bama is 2 plays away from being 12-0. But it’s also true bama is 2 plays away from being 8-4 also.
UT is 2-1 against Top 15 teams
UT is 2-0 against common opponents
Bama is 1-1 against common opponents
UT won Head to head
UT has better strength of schedule
Bama best wins are against #20 Texas and #25 Miss State. Both have lost 4 games each.
UT best wins are against #6 Bama, and #14 LSU on the road.
It’s pretty clear that UT has a better resume and “body of work”. Yes it’s true that bama is 2 plays away from being 12-0. But it’s also true bama is 2 plays away from being 8-4 also.
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