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AP : Saban, Kiffin, Swinney, Kelly, Riley discuss CFB model sustainability

Posted on 4/13/22 at 2:06 pm
Posted by SummerOfGeorge
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Posted on 4/13/22 at 2:06 pm
AP (Russo) : Saban - Current state of cfb 'not sustainable'

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Nick Saban’s willingness to adapt and often be a catalyst for change in college football, both on the field and off, has propelled Alabama to six national championships in 13 seasons.

The 70-year-old coach is confident his program will continue to thrive during this new era of college athletics, with players having more opportunities to earn money than ever before and more power to determine where they play.

But the current state of college football has Saban concerned.

“I don’t think what we’re doing right now is a sustainable model,” Saban told The Associated Press in a recent interview.


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That’s a common theme among coaches these days, with Clemson’s Dabo Swinney and Southern California’s Lincoln Riley among the most prominent who have echoed Saban’s sentiments.


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“The concept of name, image and likeness was for players to be able to use their name, image and likeness to create opportunities for themselves. That’s what it was,” Saban said. “So last year on our team, our guys probably made as much or more than anybody in the country. But that creates a situation where you can basically buy players,” Saban said. “You can do it in recruiting. I mean, if that’s what we want college football to be, I don’t know. And you can also get players to get in the transfer portal to see if they can get more someplace else than they can get at your place.”



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Riley told reporters last week NIL has “completely changed” recruiting.

“I think that anybody that cares about college football is not real pleased with that because that wasn’t the intention,” said Riley, who is in his first season at Southern California after five years at Oklahoma. “And I’m sure, at some point, there is going to be a market correction if you will, with recruiting.”



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“I think that there’s going to start being issues potentially of donors and collective groups saying they want Player A from their area. And the coaching staff wants Player B,” Kiffin told AP.

Swinney told ESPN major college football needs a “complete blowup” that might result in something that looks more like professional football.

“I think you’ll have 40 or 50 teams and a commissioner and here are the rules,” he said.






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Saban said he is not against the shift toward players being compensated and given more freedom to switch teams.

“We now have an NFL model with no contracts, but everybody has free agency,” said Saban, echoing a comparison Kiffin has made.

“It’s fine for players to get money. I’m all for that. I’m not against that. But there also has to be some responsibility on both ends, which you could call a contract. So that you have an opportunity to develop people in a way that’s going to help them be successful,” Saban said.

“So there’s going to have to be some changes implemented, some kind of way to still create a level playing field,” he said. “And there is no salary cap. So whatever school decides they want to pay the most, they have the best chance to have the best team. And that’s never been college football, either.”




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Saban would prefer Alabama guarantee a set amount of money for every player who plays football for the Crimson Tide.

“We give everybody the same medical care, academic support, food service. Same scholarship. So if we’re going to do this, then everybody is going to benefit equally. I’m not going to create a caste system on our team,” Saban said.



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LSU coach Brian Kelly supports a similar model, with players agreeing to sign over certain NIL rights for a base amount of compensation along with the ability for a school to help boost an individual’s brand.

“And we’ve got the best NFT, “ Kelly added, referring to the popular digital collectors’ items. ”Who can’t sell Mike the Tiger?”




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“I know we have to adapt to that,” Saban said. “You’re going to have kids out there that say, ‘Well, I can get a better deal going someplace else,’ and they’ll go there. But you’re also going to have people that see the light and say, ‘Yeah, they’ve got a good history of developing players. They got a good history of developing people, they got a great graduation rate and that value is more important.’

“And they’re distributing money to everybody in the organization.”
Posted by lsufball19
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Posted on 4/13/22 at 2:09 pm to
I agree with essentially everything Saban said
Posted by WG_Dawg
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Posted on 4/13/22 at 2:10 pm to
anyone would half a brain could see this coming. The thought of "well Joe Quarterback can now finally get a percentage of his jersey sales from the bookstore" was as naive as naive could be. It was always going to be unfiltered, limitless, no rules payer-playing. And now what we have barely even resembles college athletics anymore.
Posted by Cregg
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Posted on 4/13/22 at 2:10 pm to
Saban is a prophet.
Posted by StopRobot
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Posted on 4/13/22 at 2:12 pm to
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I agree with essentially everything Saban said



I do too. Its not sustainable but there is a path forward on this if someone will step up and do it
Posted by Stidham8
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Posted on 4/13/22 at 2:33 pm to
They all sound so whiny. All of them have benefited from paying players under the table and now that it’s out in the open they’ve lost their competitive advantage (Saban, Kiffin, and Swinney in particular).

They’re all so afraid of A&M and the 8 five stars they signed. They’re also scared of Texas.
This post was edited on 4/13/22 at 2:34 pm
Posted by lsufball19
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Posted on 4/13/22 at 2:37 pm to
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They all sound so whiny. All of them have benefited from paying players under the table and now that it’s out in the open they’ve lost their competitive advantage (Saban, Kiffin, and Swinney in particular).

They’re all so afraid of A&M and the 8 five stars they signed. They’re also scared of Texas.


Saban is going to benefit from this model as much as anyone, so I can't say I agree that he's scared of anything. Saban frequently provides his opinion on consequences of changes he doesn't like, but always inevitably adapts, succeeds, and wins more than anyone.
Posted by Stidham8
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Posted on 4/13/22 at 2:38 pm to
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Saban is going to benefit from this model as much as anyone, so I can't say I agree that he's scared of anything. Saban frequently provides his opinion on consequences of changes he doesn't like, but always inevitably adapts, succeeds, and wins more than anyone.


Yeah Saban is benefitting tremendously from a team in his same division signing the best class of all time.

They can continue to whine about it but it’s not changing unless Congress passes a bill. (They won’t)
This post was edited on 4/13/22 at 2:41 pm
Posted by MackDaddyBrown
Member since Jul 2021
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Posted on 4/13/22 at 2:39 pm to
What exactly is unsustainable about it? It's not the pay, that's self regulating. It seems more like the coaches are complaining about interpersonal issues. Nick, you get paid 10 million dollars a year to deal with that. If you can't do it, it's okay to just retire.
Posted by Hback
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Posted on 4/13/22 at 2:42 pm to
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But you’re also going to have people that see the light and say, ‘Yeah, they’ve got a good history of developing players. They got a good history of developing people, they got a great graduation rate and that value is more important.’

Maybe one, or two at most
Posted by SummerOfGeorge
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Posted on 4/13/22 at 2:44 pm to
If your response to Saban saying stuff like this is still, after all these years, "he's whining cause this is new and he will get hurt by it" then you should probably crawl out from under your rock and read up on the last 10 years of college football rule changes and then take a look at the record books over that same period.

We can have a thread where we go back through all of them - Saban's honest thoughts on their impact, the ridicule he got from rivals/media, and then how he beat everyone to death with them after 1-2 years of using them and finding the advantage with them......or we can just read what he and others said about the latest change and discuss whether you agree with it or not and why.

Recruiting rules during the spring, spread offense, playoffs, intra-conference transfers, transfer portal in general, etc etc etc. They all follow the same pattern.
This post was edited on 4/13/22 at 2:46 pm
Posted by Stidham8
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Posted on 4/13/22 at 2:48 pm to
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If your response to Saban saying stuff like this is still, after all these years, "he's whining cause this is new and he will get hurt by it" then you should probably crawl out from under your rock and read up on the last 10 years of college football rule changes and then take a look at the record books over that same period.


Saban can attempt to adapt all he wants but unless there’s a big pile of oil under Tuscaloosa that the boosters discover they’re never going to have as much money as Texas or Texas A&M.

Posted by SummerOfGeorge
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Posted on 4/13/22 at 2:50 pm to
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Saban can attempt to adapt all he wants but unless there’s a big pile of oil under Tuscaloosa that the boosters discover they’re never going to have as much money as Texas or Texas A&M.



Exactly how much money are you under the impression that it is going to take to sign an elite signing class in this theoretical world where teams are buying all 25 scholarship recruits in a signing class?



This post was edited on 4/13/22 at 2:52 pm
Posted by 14&Counting
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Posted on 4/13/22 at 2:53 pm to
What? No Jimbo Fisher?
Posted by C W
Member since Mar 2020
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Posted on 4/13/22 at 2:58 pm to
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unless there’s a big pile of oil under Tuscaloosa that the boosters discover they’re never going to have as much money as Texas or Texas A&M.


You realize that your own program wouldn’t have a chance if it’s whoever can pay the most. Right?

Do you think that Texas vs Texas 8&4fit every year is a sustainable model? Do you think that would work long term?
This post was edited on 4/13/22 at 3:00 pm
Posted by Righteous Dude
Member since Oct 2017
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Posted on 4/13/22 at 2:59 pm to
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But that creates a situation where you can basically buy players,” Saban said. “You can do it in recruiting.



Posted by Stidham8
Member since Aug 2018
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Posted on 4/13/22 at 3:01 pm to
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You realize that your own program wouldn’t have a chance if it’s whoever can pay the most. Right? Do you think that Texas vs Texas 8&4fit every year is a sustainable model? Do you think that would work long term?


You realize that’s it’s been who pays the most for several decades?

The only thing that is new is a lot more teams can now cash in and get in on “the game.”



This post was edited on 4/13/22 at 3:02 pm
Posted by C W
Member since Mar 2020
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Posted on 4/13/22 at 3:06 pm to
You didn’t answer the questions You just avoided them

You realize that your own program wouldn’t have a chance if it’s whoever can pay the most. Right? Do you think that Texas vs Texas 8&4fit every year is a sustainable model? Do you think that would work long term?
Posted by Stidham8
Member since Aug 2018
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Posted on 4/13/22 at 3:07 pm to
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You didn’t answer the questions You just avoided them You realize that your own program wouldn’t have a chance if it’s whoever can pay the most. Right? Do you think that Texas vs Texas 8&4fit every year is a sustainable model? Do you think that would work long term?


As opposed to Alabama and now Georgia with Kirby having learned under Saban on how to pay the most?

I’m all for some new teams at the top.
Posted by AUreo
Member since Jul 2021
2047 posts
Posted on 4/13/22 at 3:10 pm to
They are just worried that Miami, Texas, Oregon, U$C, etc might eventually take over CFB…
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