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re: Any Ideas on what happens to the Big12 and PacW?
Posted on 2/13/23 at 6:05 pm to cardswinagain
Posted on 2/13/23 at 6:05 pm to cardswinagain
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What do you define as "bad programs?"
Programs that carry so little weight, regardless of accomplishments that they are only invited to a conference with one foot in the grave.
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Posted on 2/13/23 at 7:10 pm to Sooner a Reb
Are conference championships even worth playing in a 12 team playoff?
Posted on 2/13/23 at 7:11 pm to dstone12
worth in what sense. because if it makes a profit theyre prob not going anywhere dont you think.
Posted on 2/13/23 at 8:19 pm to dstone12
I know this is an unpopular opinion, but the Pac is still a far superior conference to the Big 12. The Big 12 just happens to be the flavor of the month because they surprisingly survived when everyone thought they were dead. To me, a power conference should dominate its region. The entire Big 12, other than in Kansas, is nothing but 2nd or 3rd tier programs within each state who don’t dominate any media market. The Pac at least still has flagship programs like Washington, Oregon, Cal, Arizona, Utah, and Colorado. It makes more sense for those programs to absorb a few Big 12 schools. The Big 12 has no backbone programs to hold it together long term. Its just a mid major conference with a power 5 name.
Posted on 2/13/23 at 8:26 pm to MillerLiteTime
Pac has no future because nobody cares out west, even tho they always try to make it a excuse about attendance at USC UCLA games because its hot in Los Angeles lol but those photos dont lie ppl dont care
it doesnt matter how big the market is if they dont care you could put a NFL team in Berlin nobody gives a shite nobody gives a shite abt football outside america .
now I not saying the b12 is a power conference but at least ppl in Nebraska and Missouri are Interested in college sports esp. football
it doesnt matter how big the market is if they dont care you could put a NFL team in Berlin nobody gives a shite nobody gives a shite abt football outside america .
now I not saying the b12 is a power conference but at least ppl in Nebraska and Missouri are Interested in college sports esp. football
This post was edited on 2/14/23 at 5:01 am
Posted on 2/13/23 at 8:26 pm to Radio Zero
Berlin Germany is what I meant
Posted on 2/13/23 at 10:00 pm to MillerLiteTime
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I know this is an unpopular opinion, but the Pac is still a far superior conference to the Big 12. The Big 12 just happens to be the flavor of the month because they surprisingly survived when everyone thought they were dead. To me, a power conference should dominate its region. The entire Big 12, other than in Kansas, is nothing but 2nd or 3rd tier programs within each state who don’t dominate any media market. The Pac at least still has flagship programs like Washington, Oregon, Cal, Arizona, Utah, and Colorado. It makes more sense for those programs to absorb a few Big 12 schools. The Big 12 has no backbone programs to hold it together long term. Its just a mid major conference with a power 5 name.
I agree with you on paper. But the TV deals are running the show. Big12 has found a way to land that money. PAC has not.
Posted on 2/14/23 at 7:07 am to everytrueson
I don’t know if it’s popular to say. But we need to have 4 16-team leagues if we cannot close Pandora’s box.
The big12 and pacw should have gotten along in their negotiations and merged their top 16 teams.
Now we are stuck with watching the big12 have games like:
Baylor v UCF
OkState v Cincinatti
Instead of
Baylor vs Oregon
OkState vs Washington.
They actually would have been a pretty good league to merge the tow power fives.
Now we will see Fresno state and unlv get added to the pac.
The big12 and pacw should have gotten along in their negotiations and merged their top 16 teams.
Now we are stuck with watching the big12 have games like:
Baylor v UCF
OkState v Cincinatti
Instead of
Baylor vs Oregon
OkState vs Washington.
They actually would have been a pretty good league to merge the tow power fives.
Now we will see Fresno state and unlv get added to the pac.
Posted on 2/14/23 at 9:19 am to dstone12
I don’t know if it’s popular to say. But we need to have 4 16-team leagues if we cannot close Pandora’s box. The big12 and pacw should have gotten along in their negotiations and merged their top 16 teams.
I think you're right. A merged league with Texas, Oklahoma, USC, and UCLA would have been able to get a really, really nice TV deal. I don't see how the Big12 is going to get along with WVU, Cincy, and such.
I think you're right. A merged league with Texas, Oklahoma, USC, and UCLA would have been able to get a really, really nice TV deal. I don't see how the Big12 is going to get along with WVU, Cincy, and such.
Posted on 2/14/23 at 11:11 am to ScoggDog
Yep.
Wvu and ND need to go ACC.
Wvu and ND need to go ACC.
Posted on 2/14/23 at 11:30 am to everytrueson
[quote]I am wondering about Kansas. They are AAU and maybe they are in the plans for either the Big10 or SEC next round? They are dumping money into modernizing their football stadium. If they stabilize as a .500 football team - they already make decent money off of basketball- would this make them attractive enough to the SEC?
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You're wondering about the JayTwats? SEC doesn't need and probably doesn't want KU and many Mizzou fans are happy the contentious and nasty tradition with Kpuke is dead.
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You're wondering about the JayTwats? SEC doesn't need and probably doesn't want KU and many Mizzou fans are happy the contentious and nasty tradition with Kpuke is dead.
Posted on 2/14/23 at 12:14 pm to Bass Tiger
I would assume, since, he brought up AAU that he means the big10 for Kansas.
I will say this about athletic conferences and their gravitation to the AAU:
It means absolutely nothing to me.
For a moment, imagine that Uga and Georgia Tech were Indy and the big10 is looking for two schools to add.
Can’t tell me for a moment that they would take GT and not Uga due to affiliation to the AAU.
*the AAU is an amazing club to belong to, btw. But it does want mean a thing to tv revenue.
I will say this about athletic conferences and their gravitation to the AAU:
It means absolutely nothing to me.
For a moment, imagine that Uga and Georgia Tech were Indy and the big10 is looking for two schools to add.
Can’t tell me for a moment that they would take GT and not Uga due to affiliation to the AAU.
*the AAU is an amazing club to belong to, btw. But it does want mean a thing to tv revenue.
Posted on 2/14/23 at 12:38 pm to dstone12
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It means absolutely nothing to me.
That is because you are not a college president
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Can’t tell me for a moment that they would take GT and not Uga due to affiliation to the AAU.
This is probably true. Just weird they voted Nebraska out out of the AAU (B1G schools casting the deciding votes to expel) after they vote Nebraska in to the B1G
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*the AAU is an amazing club to belong to, btw. But it does want mean a thing to tv revenue.
It has always been anti South from the start. Tulane, GT, UNC, and Duke were later. UGA is better than several actual AAU schools but GT was the "research" of the two.
You are right that it does not do much for TV revenue but college sports are really glorified infomercials to get kids to go there. What you are missing is the real money maker at universities (at least since the 80's).
Look at the recent B1G additions
Rutgers - sure B1G gets to claim they invented football but what they really got was a research school
Maryland - not exactly a football powerhouse but historically solid basketball and a research school
Johns Hopkins - in 2021 did a whopping ~3.2 BILLION in research. How many sports programs combined would it take to do 3.2 Billion a year? Michigan does about half of that at 1.6 Billion
The last things colleges care about these days is actually educating kids. Entertainment (via say sports) is somewhere in the middle. Top priority for college presidents and their boards is locking down research grants and spending the money.
Posted on 2/14/23 at 12:40 pm to MillerLiteTime
The SEC and Big 10 work together to break away from the NCAA. Next they get 6 teams from the ACC to pledge to join plus ND to destabilize the ACC and offer ESPN first broadcast rights to compensate.
Now the Big/SEC controls 95% of the major broadcast market killing revenues for everyone else while raking in about 400 Million per member school. (ND covers the Chicago market)
NIL money is equal among member schools as now national brands like Lexus, MB and Apple sign on and the money gets ridiculous. FB and BB is assigned 1 million per scholarship player all other sports $200k to $500k.
IMHO
Now the Big/SEC controls 95% of the major broadcast market killing revenues for everyone else while raking in about 400 Million per member school. (ND covers the Chicago market)
NIL money is equal among member schools as now national brands like Lexus, MB and Apple sign on and the money gets ridiculous. FB and BB is assigned 1 million per scholarship player all other sports $200k to $500k.
IMHO
This post was edited on 2/14/23 at 1:34 pm
Posted on 2/14/23 at 1:32 pm to MillerLiteTime
I agree. The Big 12 has only 2 teams that are the most popular in their state, WVU and Kansas. That is not something to hang your hat on.
Posted on 2/14/23 at 2:53 pm to Bwmdx
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I agree. The Big 12 has only 2 teams that are the most popular in their state, WVU and Kansas. That is not something to hang your hat on.
But for the state of Texas there have been numerous players and what might make these schools interesting
Tcu
Baylor
Ttu May get a surge one day.
Ok State has definitely gotten some good seasons.
Posted on 2/14/23 at 6:37 pm to Cheese Grits
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That is because you are not a college president
Uhhh. So is about 99% percent of all Saturday college football watchers
Posted on 2/14/23 at 7:29 pm to dstone12
big 12 aleady picked up 4 schools... anything else now its just gravy they are still easily the 3rd best conference.
Posted on 2/14/23 at 7:40 pm to dstone12
Not disagreeing just saying 3.2 Billion a year coming in makes a college president happy than winning a natty.
Posted on 2/15/23 at 5:25 am to MOJO_ERASER
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big 12 aleady picked up 4 schools... anything else now its just gravy they are still easily the 3rd best conference.
Maybe. But I always think of the “gravy” analogy where you’ve done what you need tk do and everything after that is “gravy”.
Adding go5 programs is not “doing what you need to do”.
UCF lol
Houston lol
BYU. Lol
Cin. Meh.
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