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re: Any Ideas on what happens to the Big12 and PacW?
Posted on 2/15/23 at 8:04 am to dstone12
Posted on 2/15/23 at 8:04 am to dstone12
Never understood why people laugh at those additions. They took the four best G5 programs available. We’ve already seen that model work with TCU and Utah being elevated. They could easily replicate the success of those two now that they will have considerably more money to work with going forward.
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Posted on 2/15/23 at 10:01 am to TheCheshireHog
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Never understood why people laugh at those additions.
I want to answer honestly and not come off as an a-hole, here.
The big east tried the same thing by promoting Louisville, USF and Cinci and the big east football is no more.
It’s not a bad statement on these programs. It’s an indicator of a very sick p5 conference that will die soon.
It could have found a way to make the following 16-team league work.
BigPacWest——-
Oregon
Washington
Stanford
Cal
Arizona
ASU
Wsu
OreSt
BigPacEast——-
Baylor
Tcu
OkState
Colorado
Utah
KSU
Kansas
Texas tech
Now you’re going to be stuck with the big12 bringing go5s and the pac will bring in go5s too.
Could have had an all p5 league.
There is a reason the sec isn’t adding UCF And Houston. We don’t need them. The big12 does because it’s dying.
People would actually watch txAM vs Ole Miss.
Do you think anyone will tune in to
Oregon vs SDSU?
Ok State Vs Houston?
This post was edited on 2/15/23 at 10:12 am
Posted on 2/15/23 at 11:16 am to dstone12
Okstate is 19th in Tv viewership (big Texas alumni) and throws SEC type money into our facilities and now we’ll have visiting fans that dress up like Fat Joe for tailgates. bullshite.
Posted on 2/15/23 at 12:21 pm to dstone12
Big 10 will almost certainly add Oregon and Washington unless 1 of these things happens.
1. The state legislature doesn’t allow it.
2. There is a shift back to more regional conferences (I hope this happens but doubt it).
1. The state legislature doesn’t allow it.
2. There is a shift back to more regional conferences (I hope this happens but doubt it).
Posted on 2/15/23 at 12:26 pm to justaniceguy
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2. There is a shift back to more regional conferences (I hope this happens but doubt it).
It will happen eventually
100 years ago
- SuperConfrences
- Paying players
- injuries
Then between WW I and WW II they started dealing with the issues and the ACC / SEC / SWC got spun out and the NCAA stepped up about professional vs non professional.
Posted on 2/15/23 at 12:30 pm to Cheese Grits
It seems pretty clear we will eventually move to 7-8 team divisions in a larger conference (20-24 teams) just like the NFL. Those 7-8 teams will be regional and play the majority of their games against each other.
Posted on 2/15/23 at 12:39 pm to BreakawayZou83
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Big 12 is going to get the four corner schools. I still have to believe that at least Oregon and Washington, probably with Stanford, end up in the Big Ten. Then the PAC leftovers will backfill with the best bits of the MWC.
I agree with this. Although it will be really funny seeing Colorado crawl back.
Posted on 2/15/23 at 12:40 pm to justaniceguy
stanford and cal in the b10 cant resist the academic cachet
Posted on 2/15/23 at 12:41 pm to bamabaseballsec
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Big 12 will become new best of g5 conference.
If that’s the case we’re gonna need to come up with a better name than “G5”
Posted on 2/15/23 at 12:42 pm to dstone12
ACC is in a good position for the foreseeable future until their TV deal is over. I think
Posted on 2/15/23 at 12:42 pm to Sooner1984
SEC isn’t getting UNC without duke, and probably NC state too, hell, maybe even wake 
Posted on 2/15/23 at 12:48 pm to TheCheshireHog
Can anybody dig up an old thread about when TCU joined the big 12? I wonder if people were laughing about it back then.
Posted on 2/15/23 at 2:39 pm to justaniceguy
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ACC is in a good position for the foreseeable future until their TV deal is over. I think
It seems up in the air on this board. 50% think the ACC is done.
50% think the ACC tv deal has them in the catbird seat.
I don’t know either
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2. There is a shift back to more regional conferences (I hope this happens but doubt it
Me too. But it will be a long time unless these super conferences divide regionally, quickly. But then you’ll have the sec guys complaining that the Deep South division will get beat up over the year.
Posted on 2/17/23 at 11:48 am to Bwmdx
Not even close. kU is only popular with people who enjoy basketball. KSU is far more popular in KS than KU is lol.
One school needs money from tax payers and their own endowment pool to fund their stadium renovations.
The other can raise that money through donations and doesn't need the states assistance to be relevant in today's landscape.
One school needs money from tax payers and their own endowment pool to fund their stadium renovations.
The other can raise that money through donations and doesn't need the states assistance to be relevant in today's landscape.
Posted on 2/17/23 at 1:39 pm to Radio Zero
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it doesnt matter how big the market is if they dont care you could put a NFL team in Berlin nobody gives a shite nobody gives a shite abt football outside america .
Honestly, a good number of people in Germany actually really do enjoy football.
Posted on 2/17/23 at 1:51 pm to Cheese Grits
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It has always been anti South from the start. Tulane, GT, UNC, and Duke were later. UGA is better than several actual AAU schools but GT was the "research" of the two.
While splitting up the different academic disciplines among three state schools initially helped them all, it did eventually hurt UGA as far as research funding goes, especially not having the medical school as well as the engineering funds being siphoned off to GT. However, in recent decades, the biomolecular research at UGA has exploded, and plenty of research done via the vet school and the ag sector (mainly chickens) has brought in some big chunks of change. Those labs are just not as front and center as at some schools. Its still small engineering program also is forming some profitable ties to big firms like Siemens.
Posted on 2/17/23 at 2:07 pm to MOJO_ERASER
quote:Say what?
big 12 aleady picked up 4 schools... anything else now its just gravy they are still easily the 3rd best conference.
There's no question the SEC and Big 10 are 1-2 in whatever order. I see the ACC as a clear #3; you have Clemson and Fla State having made the playoffs. Miami and probably Va Tech both carry enough name-value, if they can revive, they're candidates too.
Big 12 gives you, what- a bunch of cinderella-type teams? They COULD make it, but like this year, you have to have things fall right.
Posted on 2/17/23 at 2:17 pm to Scoob
The ACC is a dumpster fire after Clemson and FSU + UNC - those other schools have minimal value
Miami is private and can’t even sell out 50% given their stadium and campus issues
Miami is private and can’t even sell out 50% given their stadium and campus issues
This post was edited on 2/17/23 at 2:19 pm
Posted on 2/17/23 at 3:16 pm to justaniceguy
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I wonder if people were laughing about it back then.
I was in the group that thought Baylor was in the wrong and TCU was the better fit. Personally I would put Rice above both but mainly for the academics.
Rice > TCU > Baylor
Posted on 2/17/23 at 3:23 pm to FloridaFrog
quote:Name the Big 12 program equal to Clemson or Fla State.
The ACC is a dumpster fire after Clemson and FSU + UNC
You can't, because there isn't one.
Now, using the same logic you applied- take the top 2-3 teams off the Big 12, and convince me the remainder isn't ALSO a dumpster fire. Iowa State, Texas Tech, Kansas?
ACC, you at least have Clemson, Fla State, Va Tech, UNC, Wake Forest, Miami if they can get things right, Pitt has shown signs of life, Louisville (as the 8th team? That ain't bad).
I'm not saying the ACC is comparable to the SEC, but Clemson alone elevates them above the Big 12 as it will be.
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