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re: All of the new Marcus Freeman fans here, time to put your money where your mouth is
Posted on 1/11/25 at 10:38 am to SidewalkTiger
Posted on 1/11/25 at 10:38 am to SidewalkTiger
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He said he wanted to go somewhere where he could win a championship.
LSU has shown they can win.
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Folks like you changed that to "win a playoff game" or "compete for a championship" but he still said "win a championship".
But he hasn’t even made the playoffs??
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Posted on 1/11/25 at 10:41 am to SidewalkTiger
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BK was only a game away there also, the problem wasn't getting there.
The problem was actually winning the game vs elite teams.
Brian Kelly has made one appearance in the D-1 national championship game in his 20+ year career. It appears making it was a bit of a problem and winning it an even bigger problem. Since Kelly was such a great coach at Notre Dame, explain the disparities in his winning percentage with other coaches who coached a minimum of 10 seasons at Notre Dame.
Coach/Seasons/Record/Winning Percentage
Rockne/13 seasons/105-12-5/.881
Leahy/11 seaons/87-11-9/.855
Parseghian/11 seasons/95-17-4/.836
Holtz/11 seasons/100-11-2/.765
Kelly/12 seasons/92-40/.697
Since 1900 Notre Dame has had 28 head coaches. Fifteen of them have a better winning percentage at Notre Dame than does Kelly.
Posted on 1/11/25 at 10:45 am to SidewalkTiger
If brian kelly was coaching notre dame, your goddamn right i would put some money on it. Ohio state looks like a more complete team but freeman can actually win tough games. If grinding brian was there this championship would be exactly like the Alabama one bk got hammered in.
Posted on 1/11/25 at 10:57 am to Themicah86
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If brian kelly was coaching notre dame, your goddamn right i would put some money on it. Ohio state looks like a more complete team but freeman can actually win tough games. If grinding brian was there this championship would be exactly like the Alabama one bk got hammered in.
So you're putting money on Notre Dame, right?
Posted on 1/11/25 at 11:13 am to JayAg
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You are saying there is not enough proof ND is better without Kelly?
It’s apples to oranges.
Do you believe this ND team would beat 2012 Bama, 2018 Clemson, or 2020 Bama?
Keep in mind, 2024 ND wouldn’t have made the playoffs had it not expanded to 12.
Posted on 1/11/25 at 11:15 am to captdalton
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Since 1900 Notre Dame has had 28 head coaches. Fifteen of them have a better winning percentage at Notre Dame than does Kelly.
Cool, but you conveniently left out the coaches between Holtz and Kelly.
Posted on 1/11/25 at 11:17 am to SidewalkTiger
They beat three playoff teams, including the SEC champ. That's already a different ND. Their defenders (of which I was not one) don't have to prove shite to you.
This post was edited on 1/11/25 at 11:18 am
Posted on 1/11/25 at 11:22 am to captdalton
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Rockne/13 seasons/105-12-5/.881 Leahy/11 seaons/87-11-9/.855 Parseghian/11 seasons/95-17-4/.836 Holtz/11 seasons/100-11-2/.765 Kelly/12 seasons/92-40/.697
On the field of play, where the games were actually played, Brian Kelly’s record at Notre Dame was 116-40 for a winning % of .743
This post was edited on 1/11/25 at 11:23 am
Posted on 1/11/25 at 11:23 am to weremoose
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They beat three playoff teams
Indiana? Ok.
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including the SEC champ
With their backup QB. Impressive.
Penn State did not complete a pass to a wide receiver. ND definitely beat some juggernauts.
This post was edited on 1/11/25 at 11:43 am
Posted on 1/11/25 at 11:28 am to 49 to nada
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Why, because you thought we'd get blown out of Jerryworld instead of giving them a game?
tOSU last night is what they've been all season. When they face a good defense they either struggle to put the other team away or lose.
Of course we were also what we've been all season, but the Suckeyes had too many elite athletes to allow us to overcome our mistakes.
Mostly bc they looked much more like a complete football team over the past couple weeks than Texas has all season. Texas has had a few struggle wins this season that showed some glaring weaknesses for a team in the hunt for a National Championship. Last night, Texas could no longer overcome those issues and your season ended. I didn’t expect OSU to have so many unforced errors in their game last night with self inflicted penalties.
I don’t know how that’s not obvious for you to see.
Posted on 1/11/25 at 11:39 am to weremoose
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They beat three playoff teams, including the SEC champ. That's already a different ND. Their defenders (of which I was not one) don't have to prove shite to you.
The three playoff teams they beat had a combined 5 losses.
It seems to me that they may have just had an easier path this year than in previous years, some of you seem to mistake that for improvement.
Posted on 1/11/25 at 11:39 am to SidewalkTiger
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So you're putting money on Notre Dame, right?
No, cuz it's not a safe bet like it would be if brian kelly was coaching.
Posted on 1/11/25 at 11:42 am to Themicah86
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No, cuz it's not a safe bet
Why not?
Everyone says this is a "different Notre Dame" that is "much improved".
Posted on 1/11/25 at 11:58 am to SidewalkTiger
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Why not?
Everyone says this is a "different Notre Dame" that is "much improved".
It is a different notre dame, they are much improved. Under brian kelly there is no chance they win in a game where they are this over matched. With freeman they atleast have a chance. Youre acting as if because they aren't the best that they arent improved. Literally everyone in the world agrees. A notre dame team led by Brian kelly wouldnt have won a game in the playoff. He may have beaten northern Illinois. Ill give you that
Posted on 1/11/25 at 12:00 pm to Themicah86
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It is a different notre dame, they are much improved. Under brian kelly there is no chance they win in a game where they are this over matched. With freeman they atleast have a chance.
Based on what? They haven't faced a team of that caliber yet.
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Literally everyone in the world agrees
A lot of people definitely agree with you, but that doesn't make it correct. People are wrong all the time.
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A notre dame team led by Brian kelly wouldnt have won a game in the playoff.
No way of knowing that at all.
Posted on 1/11/25 at 12:00 pm to Gnash
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Cool, but you conveniently left out the coaches between Holtz and Kelly.
None of them were very good coaches and thus none coached 10 seasons. Bob Davie, Charlie Weiss and Tyrone Willingham each coached between 3 and 5 years at Notre Dame. All of their winning percentages were similar, .565 - .583. It sounds like you are saying that Brian Kelly is more comparable to Charlie Weiss, Bob Davie and Tyrone Willingham than Rockne, Parseghian, Leahy and Holtz, . You are probably correct.
Posted on 1/11/25 at 12:14 pm to Tammany Tom
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On the field of play, where the games were actually played, Brian Kelly’s record at Notre Dame was 116-40 for a winning % of .743
A .743 winning percentage would put Kelly at 16th in winning percentage among Notre Dame coaches since 1900.
O’dea: .750
Faragher: .843
Barry: .893
Place: 889
Longman: .857
Marks: .933
Harper: .863
Rockne: .881
Layden: .770
Leahy: .855
McKeever: .800
Parseghian: .836
Devine: .764
Holtz: .765
Freeman: .775
Since 1945, the end of World War Two, Kelly would rank 7th out of 15 Notre Dame coaches who coached a game since then.
Posted on 1/11/25 at 12:19 pm to AHM21
quote:Please tell the board, with your superior knowledge of college football, exactly what aspect of the Notre Dame program got better.
You stole ND’s coach and they got better. Don't be bitter.
Kelly took Notre Dame to one national championship game and one national semifinals game. Both times he lost to an Alabama program that would skull drag this year's Notre Dame team.
You're either stupid, disingenuous, or a just a common troll. Which is it?
Posted on 1/11/25 at 12:25 pm to SidewalkTiger
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This board has been propping up Freeman to attack Kelly for a week now.
Put some money on it and post the slip, baw. You've been VERY chirpy.
This bet doesn't make any sense. Just because I think Freeman is a better coach than Kelly doesn't mean I think Notre Dame will cover the spread against Ohio State, dumb arse.
Posted on 1/11/25 at 12:27 pm to SidewalkTiger
I’d put $ on notre dame with way they playing
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