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re: All of the new Marcus Freeman fans here, time to put your money where your mouth is
Posted on 1/11/25 at 12:36 am to AHM21
Posted on 1/11/25 at 12:36 am to AHM21
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And Notre Dame is a game away while Kelly is 9-4 and winning the Texas Bowl. But ND’s ability to compete for a title was the problem - with their tradition of winning only 11 national titles.
BK was only a game away there also, the problem wasn't getting there.
The problem was actually winning the game vs elite teams.
We'll see if Freeman has overcome that.
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Posted on 1/11/25 at 12:37 am to cajunbama
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Which he has not been able to achieve. Looks like it was BK, not ND.
Very possible. If Notre Dame wins, we'll know that he was wrong about the entire situation.
That may drive him into retirement, who knows?
Posted on 1/11/25 at 12:38 am to SidewalkTiger
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the problem wasn't getting there.
Yes it was. Zero playoff wins. Zero big time bowl wins.
He took advantage of the BCS in 2012. Kelly couldn’t have success in the playoff era. That’s on him, not ND.
Posted on 1/11/25 at 12:40 am to SidewalkTiger
Not a Freeman fan or ND, but I’ll be laying money down against the Cuckeyes just cuz I hate em. I’ve lost 3 times so far doing that. lol f it.
Posted on 1/11/25 at 12:42 am to SidewalkTiger
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Very possible. If Notre Dame wins, we'll know that he was wrong about the entire situation.
Kelly blames ND for his inability to win a NC. Kelly has been gone 3 years and has gotten worse over those 3 years. You do not think this proves Kelly wrong.
In the 3 years Kelly has been gone ND has not only improved but won/done multiple games/things that Kelly could not, not only at ND but at the school that was supposed to free him of the limitations that ND forced him to try to overcome, but if ND doesnt win a NC it proves Kelly right?
Consistent logic my autist.
Posted on 1/11/25 at 12:44 am to Chad4Bama
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Notre Dame doesn't have the skill guys to score enough to win against that Ohio St defense.
Comical. ND has a heckuva lot more offensive skill than Texas has and Texas offense almost beat Ohio St. Had the Texas defense not given. Up the crazy td right before the half, that last TD would have been to tie.
The challenge ND will have is the defense holding up. If I were forced to bet, I am taking the 10 points all day because ND offense can match score for score.
Posted on 1/11/25 at 12:45 am to AHM21
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He took advantage of the BCS in 2012. Kelly couldn’t have success in the playoff era. That’s on him, not ND.
This insinuates that it was easier to make the natty during the BCS era than it is now, I don't know if that's necessarily true.
The regular season was basically your playoff back then.
Posted on 1/11/25 at 12:47 am to fwtex
Posted on 1/11/25 at 12:48 am to SidewalkTiger
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If Notre Dame wins, we'll know that he was wrong about the entire situation.
You are turning the national championship game into Ohio State somehow fighting to save Kelly’s reputation so he won’t get made fun of on here. Get it together.
Posted on 1/11/25 at 12:48 am to cajunbama
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In the 3 years Kelly has been gone ND has not only improved but won/done multiple games/things that Kelly could not
If we're saying Notre Dame has improved and did things that Kelly couldn't, then that means we're equating 2020 Bama with 2024 Penn State.
Factually, yes, they won a semifinal. But those teams weren't equal so did they actually improve or did Freeman simply have an easier path to a semifinal win?
The two CFP teams Kelly faced went a combined 28-0, 2024 Penn State had two losses, just on their own.
Consistent logic, indeed.
This post was edited on 1/11/25 at 12:50 am
Posted on 1/11/25 at 12:49 am to SidewalkTiger
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This insinuates that it was easier to make the natty during the BCS era than it is now, I don't know if that's necessarily true.
Play dog shite teams like Kelly did at ND, beat them, make the Natty, get humiliated
Now you have to win 2-3 playoff games after getting in the playoff
Posted on 1/11/25 at 12:51 am to cajunbama
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Play dog shite teams like Kelly did at ND, beat them, make the Natty, get humiliated
Now you have to win 2-3 playoff games after getting in the playoff
He had two top ten wins that season, IIRC.
He also didn't have the luxury of losing a regular season game to a G5, as Freeman did this year.
That would've kept them out.
Posted on 1/11/25 at 12:53 am to AHM21
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Comparing what Kelly accomplished to what Freeman has accomplished this year is asinine.
Kelly is the winningest coach in ND history MORON! The only thing asinine is your posting on this board!!!
Posted on 1/11/25 at 12:53 am to cajunbama
It’s killing Sidewalk that Kelly left ND and they got better.
Now LSU is stuck with this:
Now LSU is stuck with this:
Posted on 1/11/25 at 12:53 am to JayAg
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You are turning the national championship game into Ohio State somehow fighting to save Kelly’s reputation so he won’t get made fun of on here. Get it together.
I didn't start this whole narrative of Notre Dame's playoff run reflecting on BK.
Why do you have an issue with me responding in turn?
Posted on 1/11/25 at 12:54 am to supersaints9
All those wins and yet his post season success led him to a massive Citrus Bowl win.
I guess that’s better than the Texas Bowl.
I guess that’s better than the Texas Bowl.
Posted on 1/11/25 at 12:57 am to SidewalkTiger
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If we're saying Notre Dame has improved and did things that Kelly couldn't, then that means we're equating 2020 Bama with 2024 Penn State.
No, it just means that Penn State was way better than anyone Kelly ever beat in a bowl game
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they won a semifinal
Something Kelly never could do at ND or LSU.
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But those teams weren't equal
Nope, but still better than any team Kelly ever beat in a bowl game.
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so did they actually improv
Yes, clearly. And for the most part the only people who argue that they haven't are LSU fans for some reason
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Consistent logic, indeed.
Wrong. If ND was holding Kelly back from reaching his true potential (snicker) then why hasn't he won a championship?
If the standard is ND has to win one this year or Kelly was right, consistent logic would be that since he didn't win one in the 3 years he has been away from ND Kelly is wrong.
Posted on 1/11/25 at 1:06 am to cajunbama
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Wrong. If ND was holding Kelly back from reaching his true potential (snicker) then why hasn't he won a championship?
From his comments, I don't believe Kelly thought Notre Dame was actively holding him back, he just felt that their ceiling wouldn't allow him to win a championship and he felt that LSU had a higher ceiling.
I would assume that is the same for your coach, although he reached higher heights at his last stop, he feels that Alabama has a higher overall ceiling.
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If the standard is ND has to win one this year or Kelly was right,
I think it would only indicate that Kelly is right, for now.
Notre Dame has started making moves toward being more competitive under their new athletic director.
I think they were also better suited for NIL than LSU initially and that's helped them as well.
Posted on 1/11/25 at 1:14 am to SidewalkTiger
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consistent logic would be that since he didn't win one in the 3 years he has been away from ND Kelly is wrong.
Posted on 1/11/25 at 1:16 am to cajunbama
I guess we will see in 10 days
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