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re: 2nd & 3rd tier fan bases- do you legitimately think your team can EVER win a Nat Champ?
Posted on 7/26/23 at 8:53 am to Covingtontiger77
Posted on 7/26/23 at 8:53 am to Covingtontiger77
You pose a question, and then bait answers with a sophomoric “if you do, then…” intro.
That’s a cringe and amateur way to post on this board.
Do better.
That’s a cringe and amateur way to post on this board.
Do better.
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Posted on 7/26/23 at 8:54 am to Covingtontiger77
First: No. I have no expectation that Mizzou will ever win a national championship in football. We've come close a couple times (2007, 1960), but our realistic ceiling is sneaking into the SEC Championship once in awhile.
Of course, any SEC program is the right coaching hire away from being a contender. I just don't believe Mizzou will ever shell out the amount of cash it would take to attract such a coach. But if you think a Saban, Smart, or Meyer couldn't win at any SEC program, you are fooling yourself.
Second, I take issue with your thread title. We aren't 2nd or 3rd tier fanbases. We are 1st tier fanbases because we are loyal to 2nd or 3rd tier programs. It's pretty easy to be a Bama or Georgia fan. It's tough to be a Mizzou fan.
Of course, any SEC program is the right coaching hire away from being a contender. I just don't believe Mizzou will ever shell out the amount of cash it would take to attract such a coach. But if you think a Saban, Smart, or Meyer couldn't win at any SEC program, you are fooling yourself.
Second, I take issue with your thread title. We aren't 2nd or 3rd tier fanbases. We are 1st tier fanbases because we are loyal to 2nd or 3rd tier programs. It's pretty easy to be a Bama or Georgia fan. It's tough to be a Mizzou fan.
This post was edited on 7/26/23 at 6:45 pm
Posted on 7/26/23 at 9:03 am to spslayto
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If Clemson can do it, why not South Carolina?
I know. I know.
Coaching and recruiting?
No, but seriously... It'll be tough for those teams to win it all. Yes, they may have had a spurt here or there, but to win the natty, you have to be consistent.
I really don't know what I'm talking about...
This post was edited on 7/26/23 at 9:06 am
Posted on 7/26/23 at 9:20 am to Covingtontiger77
Will we ever win a NC? No
Can we make an expanded playoff? Yes
That’s the best I see for us.
Can we make an expanded playoff? Yes
That’s the best I see for us.
Posted on 7/26/23 at 9:25 am to Covingtontiger77
It’s also tough for most of these teams because you have to be damn good to win the SEC to have a shot at a NC. There is no sneaking into a playoff like a lot of these other conference representatives
*With the current playoff format. Things may change with an expanded playoff
*With the current playoff format. Things may change with an expanded playoff
This post was edited on 7/26/23 at 9:27 am
Posted on 7/26/23 at 9:52 am to MetroAtlantaGatorFan
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This isn't 2013.
Don't be dense. If the question is "Can they ever" and a time frame not long ago shows that the program was building to potentially be able to compete then yes, we could win, obviously with huge mountains to climb. Before 1990 I am not sure anyone would have predicted Florida to ever win a title or be the dominant east team. You had never won an SEC title, nor a division title. Tennessee was a damn good program. Then Steve walks in and turns things around. So yes all those programs besides Vandy and maybe UK should think they have a legit shot at a championship because they do. It just takes the right pieces to fall into place
This post was edited on 7/26/23 at 9:53 am
Posted on 7/26/23 at 9:57 am to GamecockUltimate
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Don't be dense. If the question is "Can they ever" and a time frame not long ago shows that the program was building to potentially be able to compete then yes, we could win, obviously with huge mountains to climb. Before 1990 I am not sure anyone would have predicted Florida to ever win a title or be the dominant east team. You had never won an SEC title, nor a division title. Tennessee was a damn good program. Then Steve walks in and turns things around. So yes all those programs besides Vandy and maybe UK should think they have a legit shot at a championship because they do. It just takes the right pieces to fall into place
Because once again, we have advantages unavailable to SCar. Bear Bryant always said we were a sleeping giant and just needed a great coach. Do you think he felt the same way about Carolina or Moo St?
Posted on 7/26/23 at 10:13 am to Covingtontiger77
Going to be infinitely more difficult going forward. Some will make the playoff but having the quality depth to defeat 3 quality opponents if you're not a conference champ is a tall order. Manage to get the conference champ first round bye though and anything is possible. Vandy is the sole exception...Vandy doesn't seem to have any plans to actually compete in the SEC.
Posted on 7/26/23 at 10:15 am to Covingtontiger77
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Ole miss
Miss state
Mizzou
Vandy
So. Car
Kentucky
South Carolina probably has the best chance if not Ole Miss. Missouri would probably be third and UK is infinitely closer than Vandy...still a stretch for all.
Posted on 7/26/23 at 10:21 am to AwgustaDawg
A problem I’ve noticed with teams like State and Ole Miss is that they can often recruit really well at one position but not across the board.
State has had a pretty amazing run of DL talent over the years. But Dak is the only NFL quarterback they’ve had in decades, and it’s been a LONG time since they’ve even had a WR drafted.
Ole Miss has put WR after WR in the NFL but has been very lacking on the defensive side.
You have to have top end talent on both sides of the ball and it’s a rarity for that to happen unless you are one of the elites.
State has had a pretty amazing run of DL talent over the years. But Dak is the only NFL quarterback they’ve had in decades, and it’s been a LONG time since they’ve even had a WR drafted.
Ole Miss has put WR after WR in the NFL but has been very lacking on the defensive side.
You have to have top end talent on both sides of the ball and it’s a rarity for that to happen unless you are one of the elites.
Posted on 7/26/23 at 10:21 am to Covingtontiger77
Swap arky for usce and the list is spot on, usce has access to recruits and gets more football fan support.
Posted on 7/26/23 at 10:25 am to MetroAtlantaGatorFan
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Because once again, we have advantages unavailable to SCar. Bear Bryant always said we were a sleeping giant and just needed a great coach. Do you think he felt the same way about Carolina or Moo St?
yeah I don't care what bear would have thought about our program back in 1970, but yeah SC has shown it can be a good program if given the right leadership.
SC basketball was trash. Frank McGuire steps in and has it humming.
SC baseball was trash, Bobby Richardson steps in and gets SC to the CWS finals, then June Raines and Tanner pushed on.
SC football was not very good, Joe Morrison gets SC up to #2 in 84, brings back a good team in 87' before passing of a heart attack. SC struggles.
Queue Lou Holtz making the program competitive before Spurrier takes over. a 10 win season followed by 3 11 win seasons. His desire to do the job goes away, but still that 4 year run showed that SC could be a competing program. A competing program can sneak in and win one. UGA was a competing program until they took that next step. I don't see us becoming a Bama, or OU , but like Frank Beamer did at VT, or Steve at UF I absolutely think the right coach could have SC in the hunt and sneak one out.
This post was edited on 7/26/23 at 10:27 am
Posted on 7/26/23 at 10:29 am to Covingtontiger77
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NO SHOT Ole miss Miss state Mizzou Vandy So. Car Kentucky
Look at recruiting pipelines potentially with an elite head coach.
So Car? Absolutely with an elite coach. The state has great talent and routinely gets kids from Georgia and Florida.
Ole Miss/ Miss State ? Same thing with the right head coach. Mississippi is a hot bed if they locked it down and cherry picked from Bama and Georgia as well.
Mizzou/Vandy/Kentucky? No. Not good enough recruiting pipeline ever.
Posted on 7/26/23 at 10:44 am to GamecockUltimate
We're not talking about basketball and baseball. 
There's a reason why SCar celebrates winning the East (once) while other programs do not. Even goofy arse Mullen knows that they aren't worth putting up banners for.
There's a reason why SCar celebrates winning the East (once) while other programs do not. Even goofy arse Mullen knows that they aren't worth putting up banners for.
Posted on 7/26/23 at 10:49 am to Covingtontiger77
With NIL, expanded playoff, and the portal almost any P5 school is a Joe Burrow, injury in the playoff, or a “Kick 6” away from a championship.
A lot of schools are one Phil Knight booster from paying the best recruit’s, coaches, and having the nicest facilities away from being legitimate contenders every year.
If Ole Miss had a Phil Knight booster they would be a top 20 team every year.
A lot of schools are one Phil Knight booster from paying the best recruit’s, coaches, and having the nicest facilities away from being legitimate contenders every year.
If Ole Miss had a Phil Knight booster they would be a top 20 team every year.
This post was edited on 7/26/23 at 10:54 am
Posted on 7/26/23 at 10:53 am to Covingtontiger77
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NO SHOT
quote:
Kentucky
We've won one before so I don't see the concern
And besides being branded a "lower tier team" has its perks, like being a season killer when we beat anyone
Posted on 7/26/23 at 10:53 am to MizzouBS
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With NIL,
No team has won a championship not averaging a top 8 class in a 4 year cycle.
quote:
expanded playoff
This will play more into blue chip schools than small schools as the elite programs have way more depth to take on extended schedules and injuries that occur due to it
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and the portal almost any P5 school is a Joe Burrow,
LSU had a loaded 2019 squad. Wasn’t just Burrow.
Posted on 7/26/23 at 10:55 am to Covingtontiger77
In the last 50 years or so, you’re probably right. Blue blood programs were nearly exclusively the likely ones to win the big show. I don’t necessarily think that will change overnight but as the money begins to flow, it is going to undoubtedly change the landscape long term. Do I think my own team will win one any time soon? Probably not, but I’m a pessimist. That ridiculous fake/blank trophy is the only thing that we will have, at least until I’m on Medicare. But I think we will start seeing more uncharacteristic appearances in the playoffs soon.
Posted on 7/26/23 at 10:56 am to MetroAtlantaGatorFan
Still waiting to hear what the advantages are that you refer to other than brand.
As I have said, brand really matters, I don’t deny that, but it eventually becomes self fulfilling.
As I have said, brand really matters, I don’t deny that, but it eventually becomes self fulfilling.
Posted on 7/26/23 at 10:56 am to MondayNightPavs
Still waiting for you to post on your regular account.
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