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Posted on 12/21/19 at 9:34 pm to PeeJayScammedGT
Posted on 12/21/19 at 9:34 pm to PeeJayScammedGT
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PeeJayScammedGT
Bro shut the frick up
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Posted on 12/22/19 at 12:24 am to Old Money
The response I'd expect when your school is ranked #153
Posted on 12/22/19 at 6:58 am to phil4bama
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The Florida schools are just as guilty of courting out of state kids as the Alabama schools.
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UF may boast about their 20% admission rate, but it's a combination of not enough space combined with an exploding population and cherry picking out of state kids too. They don't want the elite in-state kids because Bright Futures lottery money gives them a free ride on tuition; money that has to be wrangled from the legislature.
UF's freshman is class is typically made up of 90-95% in-state students and consistently ranks among the top for percentage of in-state students nationally. UF doesn't rely on courting out of state students and the focus has remained on going UF hard after the very top students in state. The problem is that a lot of good students don't make it in because of the very large population and limited space. It's why we've seen FSU and the others rise up the rankings.
This post was edited on 12/22/19 at 7:01 am
Posted on 12/22/19 at 7:40 am to YodaWithALightSaber
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(#104) Auburn University
(#104) University of South Carolina
(#104) University of Tennessee
BIG 3
Posted on 12/22/19 at 10:51 am to Irons Puppet
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Talk to the HS counselors. Talk to parents. It is a problem in Alabama. You just read the press releases from UA. Big problem.
Talk to them about what? What is a problem? UA has frozen in state tuition increases for the last two years. Has Auburn done that? NO. Is the press release info factual or not? Is UA now offering generous schollies to all in state students with at least an ACT of 21 and a GPA of 3.5? YES. Is Auburn doing that? NO.
So what are you talking about?
This post was edited on 12/22/19 at 10:52 am
Posted on 12/22/19 at 10:59 am to bgator85
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UF's freshman is class is typically made up of 90-95% in-state students and consistently ranks among the top for percentage of in-state students nationally. UF doesn't rely on courting out of state students and the focus has remained on going UF hard after the very top students in state. The problem is that a lot of good students don't make it in because of the very large population and limited space. It's why we've seen FSU and the others rise up the rankings.
Yep. Only 3% of our undergrads are OOS.
https://www.studypoint.com/admissions/university-of-florida/
Posted on 12/22/19 at 11:09 am to YodaWithALightSaber
The reality in all this is most every SEC school is in the exact same bracket, which is big state schools that primarily attract pretty good students from their state's middle classes.
The thought thay recruters are picking apart these lists ecery year and making hiring decisions based on them is laughable.
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The thought thay recruters are picking apart these lists ecery year and making hiring decisions based on them is laughable.
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Posted on 12/22/19 at 12:05 pm to InGAButLoveBama
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Talk to them about what? What is a problem? UA has frozen in state tuition increases for the last two years. Has Auburn done that? NO. Is the press release info factual or not? Is UA now offering generous schollies to all in state students with at least an ACT of 21 and a GPA of 3.5? YES. Is Auburn doing that? NO.
So what are you talking about?
Stopping tuition increases right now after the genie is out of the bottle is a mote point. Tuition has already gotten to the point that the average Alabama student has to go to Jr College to afford higher education. Either that or getting a student loan. The fact is Bama is trying to get instate students on campus because there is finally some pushback on their policy of growth. To do that they are offering scholarships to students they wouldn't normally pursue. This is just a short term fix and it will be business as usual once the dust settles. Dumb asses like you want to make this a Alabama vs Auburn issue, the truth is the citizens of Alabama are the big losers in this ego driven move by higher education.
Posted on 12/22/19 at 12:11 pm to Irons Puppet
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Too many of these Universities are chasing these list and selling their souls. Bama and Auburn are perfect examples, catering to the out of student and ignoring their mission to the state citizens who built the schools.
Florida has been climbing up by offering free in state tuition to the best Florida high school students. The top 10% high school students who would have gone to Hopkins or some of the expensive private schools now stay in state and UF is the best public school in state. For people planning for graduate degrees, a free undergrad education is amazing. I got a free ride to UF and was able to finagle extra scholarships. Had no debt when going to a public in state med school. Most of my med school class was the same.
I know Alabama has been recruiting some of the top high schoolers in Florida by offering free room and board, books, etc in addition to tuition.
Posted on 12/22/19 at 12:19 pm to phil4bama
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The Florida schools are just as guilty of courting out of state kids as the Alabama schools. My daughter's test scores and GPA are 98th percentile and we are Florida residents and UF and FSU haven't given her the time of day. She has received more mail/email from EVERY other SEC school and elite private schools like Chicago, Dartmouth, Duke, Wake Forest, Cornell, Brown, MIT, and Cal Tech than the 2 state schools in her own back yard. She's been accepted into Bama's honors college with a Presidential Scholarship, Tulane with a Founders Scholarship and an honors invite, Mercer with a Presidential, and she's waiting to hear from Vandy, UNC, and Miami.
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UF may boast about their 20% admission rate, but it's a combination of not enough space combined with an exploding population and cherry picking out of state kids too.
That's absolutely not true. Florida doesn't court out of state students. They don't really court anybody because they don't have to. The demand is there without having to do so. Nationally, Florida has a very high in state admission rate and also rates high in admitting first generation college grads and the underserved in Florida. It also has one of the cheapest in state tuitions as well.
Posted on 12/22/19 at 3:13 pm to cornhat
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Talk to them about what? What is a problem? UA has frozen in state tuition increases for the last two years. Has Auburn done that? NO. Is the press release info factual or not? Is UA now offering generous schollies to all in state students with at least an ACT of 21 and a GPA of 3.5? YES. Is Auburn doing that? NO.
So what are you talking about?
Stopping tuition increases right now after the genie is out of the bottle is a mote point. Tuition has already gotten to the point that the average Alabama student has to go to Jr College to afford higher education. Either that or getting a student loan. The fact is Bama is trying to get instate students on campus because there is finally some pushback on their policy of growth. To do that they are offering scholarships to students they wouldn't normally pursue. This is just a short term fix and it will be business as usual once the dust settles. Dumb asses like you want to make this a Alabama vs Auburn issue, the truth is the citizens of Alabama are the big losers in this ego driven move by higher education.
Says the guy who made UA the example of what is supposedly wrong in Alabama. The students now eligible for scholarships at UA were the same students eligible for admission as before. How have any Alabama citizens lost? If UA can now afford to offer scholarships to even students with an ACT of only 21 and a GPA of 3.5, who is losing? I think you and other Auburn folks are just jealous of UA's ability to attract a greater number of top students and you can see the future.
UA was still enrolling almost as many in state students as Auburn even as Auburn increased its in state numbers over the last five years. But UA wants to enroll the plurality of in state students every year. Deal with it! Oh, and since you care so much about in state students being able to gain admission to UA, try to avoid putting UA down for having "lower admission standards." You can't have it both ways.
This post was edited on 12/22/19 at 3:16 pm
Posted on 12/22/19 at 3:37 pm to InGAButLoveBama
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Says the guy who made UA the example of what is supposedly wrong in Alabama. The students now eligible for scholarships at UA were the same students eligible for admission as before. How have any Alabama citizens lost? If UA can now afford to offer scholarships to even students with an ACT of only 21 and a GPA of 3.5, who is losing? I think you and other Auburn folks are just jealous of UA's ability to attract a greater number of top students and you can see the future.
UA was still enrolling almost as many in state students as Auburn even as Auburn increased its in state numbers over the last five years. But UA wants to enroll the plurality of in state students every year. Deal with it! Oh, and since you care so much about in state students being able to gain admission to UA, try to avoid putting UA down for having "lower admission standards." You can't have it both ways.
This is the simple mind of a typical Bama fan who wants to make this Alabama vs Auburn. Right now Bama is offering scholarships to students who normally wouldn't get a sniff at one by any other school. They are doing it so they can try to counter the out of control out of state student ratio. While that is going on, tuition is still at a high rate and will go up for the average student in the future. When Bama stops offering those scholarships (and they will in the near future), then the citizens will be left with high tuition costs to send the child to college. It is almost a "bait and switch" scheme if they were not doing it for PR purposes. Again, this hurts the taxpayers who are paying for the infrastructure of the State Universities that will not be able to afford to send their kids to college in their own backyard.
Posted on 12/23/19 at 9:38 am to Irons Puppet
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Says the guy who made UA the example of what is supposedly wrong in Alabama. The students now eligible for scholarships at UA were the same students eligible for admission as before. How have any Alabama citizens lost? If UA can now afford to offer scholarships to even students with an ACT of only 21 and a GPA of 3.5, who is losing? I think you and other Auburn folks are just jealous of UA's ability to attract a greater number of top students and you can see the future.
UA was still enrolling almost as many in state students as Auburn even as Auburn increased its in state numbers over the last five years. But UA wants to enroll the plurality of in state students every year. Deal with it! Oh, and since you care so much about in state students being able to gain admission to UA, try to avoid putting UA down for having "lower admission standards." You can't have it both ways.
This is the simple mind of a typical Bama fan who wants to make this Alabama vs Auburn. Right now Bama is offering scholarships to students who normally wouldn't get a sniff at one by any other school. They are doing it so they can try to counter the out of control out of state student ratio. While that is going on, tuition is still at a high rate and will go up for the average student in the future. When Bama stops offering those scholarships (and they will in the near future), then the citizens will be left with high tuition costs to send the child to college. It is almost a "bait and switch" scheme if they were not doing it for PR purposes. Again, this hurts the taxpayers who are paying for the infrastructure of the State Universities that will not be able to afford to send their kids to college in their own backyard.
Good God the Auburn cult is nuts! You criticize UA for enrolling so many OOS, then you criticize it when it makes moves to balance things out with partial scholarships to even in-state students whose GPAs are great, but ACTs are lower tier.
Which is it? Is UA to be applauded for trying to make it easier for in-state students or not? And there is no bait and switch. The scholarship lasts the entire four years of a student's time there as long as they maintain a 3.5 GPA. For it to be bait and switch, the scholarship would only last for a period. And freezing in state tuition for two years in a row, while Auburn is raising its already higher in state tuition each year is a big contrast don't you think?
But since you are in the cult, you are unable to appreciate basic facts.
Posted on 12/23/19 at 9:45 am to cornhat
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That's absolutely not true. Florida doesn't court out of state students. They don't really court anybody because they don't have to. The demand is there without having to do so. Nationally, Florida has a very high in state admission rate and also rates high in admitting first generation college grads and the underserved in Florida. It also has one of the cheapest in state tuitions as well.
Florida tuition rates are really low at every public school. One thing that has gone right with education in the state. College loans are a plague.
Half the cost of other states in state rates and great education is UF strategy for being a top 5 school
Posted on 12/23/19 at 10:41 am to InGAButLoveBama
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Good God the Auburn cult is nuts! You criticize UA for enrolling so many OOS, then you criticize it when it makes moves to balance things out with partial scholarships to even in-state students whose GPAs are great, but ACTs are lower tier.
Which is it? Is UA to be applauded for trying to make it easier for in-state students or not? And there is no bait and switch. The scholarship lasts the entire four years of a student's time there as long as they maintain a 3.5 GPA. For it to be bait and switch, the scholarship would only last for a period. And freezing in state tuition for two years in a row, while Auburn is raising its already higher in state tuition each year is a big contrast don't you think?
But since you are in the cult, you are unable to appreciate basic facts.
You are either too ignorant to understand or just the typical Bama football fan who just really doesn't care what goes on at UA outside the football field. But even most graduates know what the University is doing and do not approve. First of all Bama is temporarily handing out scholarships to marginal students, not out of the goodness of their hearts, but to allow them to continue to pursue the Out of State Student with higher scores. This will not last once the dust settles with the complaints from Alabama citizens. The bait in switch is when all these Alabama students attend UA and the popularity and attendance standard becomes the norm, the university then pulls the rug out of these scholarships . These kids have already set their minds on attending so their parents sacrifice or they get loans. Bama froze their tuition rates these last two years so they could get the Alabama citizen, they were already had the highest tuition for public education in the state. Take you football glasses off and look at it from a taxpayer if you can. But my guess is you live in another state and you are more concerned on the health of the LBs.
This post was edited on 12/23/19 at 11:37 am
Posted on 12/23/19 at 10:54 am to This Little Piggy
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Thank God for Mississippi
Yep. We got what really counts...
Posted on 12/23/19 at 10:55 am to cornhat
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That's absolutely not true. Florida doesn't court out of state students. They don't really court anybody because they don't have to. The demand is there without having to do so. Nationally, Florida has a very high in state admission rate and also rates high in admitting first generation college grads and the underserved in Florida. It also has one of the cheapest in state tuitions as well.
You're right. They don't have to, but they should. They are losing some of the top kids in the state because other schools DO court these kids. And they are young, impressionable high schoolers. So how do you think that plays to them? Hey, I get it, no need to recruit the average or above average kids, they are beating the door down for limited spots. But top 3%'ers should get a little attention. Otherwise, they get wooed away out of state. And they might not come back. That's detrimental to the state long term.
Posted on 12/23/19 at 11:45 am to Irons Puppet
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Good God the Auburn cult is nuts! You criticize UA for enrolling so many OOS, then you criticize it when it makes moves to balance things out with partial scholarships to even in-state students whose GPAs are great, but ACTs are lower tier.
Which is it? Is UA to be applauded for trying to make it easier for in-state students or not? And there is no bait and switch. The scholarship lasts the entire four years of a student's time there as long as they maintain a 3.5 GPA. For it to be bait and switch, the scholarship would only last for a period. And freezing in state tuition for two years in a row, while Auburn is raising its already higher in state tuition each year is a big contrast don't you think?
But since you are in the cult, you are unable to appreciate basic facts.
You are either too ignorant to understand or just the typical Bama football fan who just really doesn't care what goes on at UA outside the football field. But even most graduates know what the University is doing and do not approve. First of all Bama is temporary handing out scholarships to marginal students, not out of the goodness of their hearts, but to allow them to continue to pursue the Out of State Student with higher scores. This will not last once the dust settles with the complaints from Alabama citizens. The bait in switch is when all these Alabama students attend UA and the popularity and attendance standard becomes the norm, the university then pulls the rug out of these scholarships . These kids have already set their minds on attending so their parents sacrifice or they get loans. Bama froze their tuition rates these last two years so they could get the Alabama citizen, they were already had the highest tuition for public education in the state. Take you football glasses off and look at it from a taxpayer if you can. But my guess is you live in another state and you are more concerned on the health of the LBs.
You are seriously nuts! 1) Auburn has had the higher in state tuition rates for years. Please check each school's website if you doubt me. 2) Alabama alumni are upset about what? Yes, many have been concerned that UA went too far in recruiting OOS and forgot about the in state students. Thus, the school is now focusing on increasing in-state enrollment. The scholarships can not be pulled like a rug from under someone, unless that student fails to keep his or her GPA up. 3) I AM looking at it from a taxpayers' view. The state of Alabama should kiss Robert Witt's arse for his vision of bringing huge numbers of OOS to UA, for a big chunk of these students pay much much more in tuition than in state students do. Again, thanks to the huge number of OOS, UA can afford to offer in state students a financial break, while competitors like Auburn keep raising in state tuition rates.
By the way, when will Auburn bring its percentage of African American students to that of UA? We wouldn't want to stand in the way of "diversity" would we?
The truth is that you, like a lot of people in the cult, are jealous of UA's ability to attract so many top students from out of state. Auburn would do well to try to copy UA's model, even though it does not have the campus and tradition to achieve what UA has, because its non-current liabilities are higher than UA's. See the latest financial reports from each school. LINK vs. LINK
And that is despite the fact that UA has larger assets and a much larger student body.
This post was edited on 12/23/19 at 12:01 pm
Posted on 12/23/19 at 11:48 am to InGAButLoveBama
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Auburn would do well to try to copy UA's model, even though it does not have the campus and tradition to achieve what UA has,
this is a weird assertion given a lot of people gush over Auburn's campus and Auburn has built and is building a bunch of new stuff on campus.
Posted on 12/23/19 at 11:57 am to YodaWithALightSaber
Interesting... Didn't know A&M was so far behind UGA and UF. Thought they were on the same level.
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