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re: 16 of the last 17 national titles have been won by schools in the Deep South
Posted on 1/10/23 at 12:17 pm to SummerOfGeorge
Posted on 1/10/23 at 12:17 pm to SummerOfGeorge
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Posted on 1/10/23 at 12:18 pm to SummerOfGeorge
The regionalization, while it serves us here on an SEC football board, is severely unhealthy for college football as a whole.
It's a better product when there are competitive teams across the landscape.
Some folks say that the western states don't care, they do and are committed, it's just the teams and institutions in the south are overly committed.
It's a better product when there are competitive teams across the landscape.
Some folks say that the western states don't care, they do and are committed, it's just the teams and institutions in the south are overly committed.
This post was edited on 1/10/23 at 12:22 pm
Posted on 1/10/23 at 12:22 pm to SummerOfGeorge
ahh. so 1 of the 2 outliers of the past 18 is in Austin
Posted on 1/10/23 at 12:28 pm to 212Horn
A lot has to do with shifting demographics. The WPIAL in Western PA was one of the most talent rich areas in the country in the 70’s and 80’s. The area has lost about 25% of its population since 1980. Same with much of rural PA, the areas in PA that are growing just aren’t as serious about football as the WPIAL.
Penn State, Pitt, and Notre Dame all were feasting in this talent rich area in the 70’s and 80’s. Now, talent is concentrated in the south.
Penn State, Pitt, and Notre Dame all were feasting in this talent rich area in the 70’s and 80’s. Now, talent is concentrated in the south.
Posted on 1/10/23 at 12:55 pm to BradBallard
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A lot has to do with shifting demographics. The WPIAL in Western PA was one of the most talent rich areas in the country in the 70’s and 80’s. The area has lost about 25% of its population since 1980. Same with much of rural PA, the areas in PA that are growing just aren’t as serious about football as the WPIAL.
Penn State, Pitt, and Notre Dame all were feasting in this talent rich area in the 70’s and 80’s. Now, talent is concentrated in the south.
Hey now, you're talking to a 1992 WPIAL football champion here. We still had some talent going into the Mid-90's.
Posted on 1/10/23 at 1:13 pm to Jack Daniel
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Not good for yankee schools like Mizzou, Arkansas, Tennessee and Kentucky
Considering we have our winningest coach ever I think we are doing ok
Posted on 1/10/23 at 1:28 pm to SummerOfGeorge
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Alabama - 7 (Alabama 6, Auburn 1)
Florida - 3 (Florida 2, Florida State 1)
Georgia - 2 (Georgia 2)
Louisiana - 2 (LSU 2)
South Carolina - 2 (Clemson 2)
The recruiting grounds of Georgia, Florida, Mississippi and Louisiana and to a lesser extent Alabama and South Carolina are directly tied to this. LOADS of future NFL talent running around playgrounds in that swath of the US as we speak....and many of them are, today, pretending to be Georgia Bulldogs!
Posted on 1/10/23 at 1:36 pm to nicholastiger
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Part of it is demographics and for some kids that's there way out of terrible living conditions
Haas a lot to do with the fact that kids, even today, can play outside in the swath of the US where high school football is played at the highest level...Florida through SC to LA, year round, and still do more so than they do in colder climates. Go by any elementary school in that swath anytime of the school year and the play grounds will be full of kids...when most of the year outside of that swath they are in the school house because the weather prevents them going outside.
Posted on 1/10/23 at 1:38 pm to BhamTigah
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Mississippi needs to connect the dots. That gap makes us feel like western outliers.
While Ole Miss and Miss State havent fared well there are a heaping pile of kids who have played high school football in Mississippi who have helped those teams in the SE who have won natty's....Mississippi produces some serious numbers of quality NFL talent given the population size.
Posted on 1/10/23 at 1:46 pm to Mulkey Man
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You would think California, with 40 million people, and Texas, with 30 million people, would have juggernauts. Cali just doesn't care about college football and Texas is a clusterfrick, but still.
This will be heavily debated but the reason that neither Texas nor California is relevant in college football is because high school football in both SUCKS. There are obvious exceptions but even at Texas or California power house high school football mills theyre are very few linemen who can start in the SEC. Loads of QBs and defensive backs and receivers but linemen and linebackers are relatively rare. On to of this the importance of high school football in places as relatively unknown as, say, Elberton Georgia, is about on par with that at power houses in California and Texas...and there are 10s of thousands of Elbertons spread out across the SE where they are merely hundreds of similarly enthusiastic football fan bases in California and Texas. I have watched a lot of High School football in Texas and slightly less in California, in person, and it is not comparable to what takes place in towns like North Augusta, South Carolina on Friday nights...and there are thousands of North Augustas for every Mater Dei in California or Katy Texas. It truly is the difference. No one with emotional interest in Texas or California high school football would ever admit it but the numbers do not lie.
Posted on 1/10/23 at 1:52 pm to Tchefuncte Tiger
quote:1. I'm pretty sure Texas is considered the "southwest" and not the "south"
LOL at Texas and Mississippi.
2. This stopped at the last 17. If Texas was in fact considered "the south", then they'd be included if this went back one more year.
Posted on 1/10/23 at 1:54 pm to Krampus
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And people wonder why the rest of country cares less and less about college football. It's becoming very mucb a regional sport. Sad but true.
It's always been a regional sport. Always. The moment the jersey-wearing NFLers demanded "muh tRuE nAtIoNaL cHaMpIoN!!!!111", it amplified that regional aspect tenfold.
When being NC wasn't the end all/be all, bias could help maintain a relative balance beteeen regions. Yankees could vote for their beloved Irish and Bucks and Wolverines, midwest kooks could jerk it to Oklahoma and Texas, homos could flock to USC and occasionally AP voters could virtue signal a championship to a team like BYU in '84. Then, of course, we also had the UPI/coaches' polls that could vote someone else as champ. But that wasn't good enough for you.
Starting in the 90s, you forced #1 & #2 to play each other and the north all but dried up. USC had a run and aside from the rare Oklahoma or Ohio State dream season, the cream of the south rose to the top overwhelmingly. No more BYUs or Colorados or Georgia Techs or Washingtons playing 1 or 2 games all year and claiming bleeding heart titles because the south managed to cannibalize itself in a given year. It's southern football with Oklahoma, Texas and Ohio State struggling behind, but at least staying in the conversation.
Wasn't good enough, you said. We need a playoff because Alabama and LSU got a rematch. And LSU fans deserve a lot of criticism for whinging like west cosst twinks and stoking the playoff fire. Fine. Ohio State luck-dragoned into a NC 8 years ago and it's been Daddy South ever since. They don't get to play footsies with Minnesota and Indiana and get a free shot at a title anymore. They have to play our best and they have an abysmal record trying. The north gets crumpled even more while left coast and midwest merely show up to take an arse beating every once in a while.
Still not good enough, right? Now you retards are gonna expand the playoffs and ensure 3-5 SEC teams are there smoking everyone more times than not. Say goodbye to a TCU ever getting to a NC game again. Now, they'll have to beat 2 southern teams to hoist that trophy when they couldn't hang with 1 for even a half. You can certainly forget Ohio State and Michigan. At least now, they only have to pray for one miracle win vs a southern team. In the future, they're gonna need 2 or even 3 such miracles.
You want to really fix CFB? Stop pretending it is or was ever a national sport.
Posted on 1/10/23 at 2:09 pm to The Quiet One
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Yankees could vote for their beloved Irish and Bucks and Wolverines, midwest kooks could jerk it to Oklahoma and Texas,
Posted on 1/10/23 at 3:11 pm to Jack Daniel
quote:Pretty sure all those states were Confederate states...
Not good for yankee schools like Mizzou, Arkansas, Tennessee and Kentucky
Posted on 1/10/23 at 3:20 pm to Gordy
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Pretty sure all those states were Confederate states...
Not Kentucky
Posted on 1/10/23 at 3:52 pm to TailbackU
Very true. I used to live in the Northeast. They're oblivious to CFB. Super Bowl Ratings always blow the CFBNCG ratings away.
Posted on 1/10/23 at 3:52 pm to SummerOfGeorge
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That's pretty unbelievable
No its not. The BCS changed everything, the best football has always been in the south. Just many southern teams did not have the media hype for, reasons. The more there has been a real playoff moving from BCS to 4 team playoff; the more you see the southern teams raise to the top. Wait till there is a 12 team playoff and teams form the SEC that finish top tier in their division get into the 12 team playoff. South going to win more, it will just be more evenly distributed amongst other SEC teams. I think you will see more teams like Ole Miss or Tenn get a shot at the playoff.
This post was edited on 1/10/23 at 3:54 pm
Posted on 1/10/23 at 3:56 pm to FreddieMac
Since Georgia is a Blue/Democrat state now, I bet they will get very positive media reactions.
Posted on 1/10/23 at 3:57 pm to FreddieMac
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No its not. The BCS changed everything, the best football has always been in the south. Just many southern teams did not have the media hype for, reasons. The more there has been a real playoff moving from BCS to 4 team playoff; the more you see the southern teams raise to the top. Wait till there is a 12 team playoff and teams form the SEC that finish top tier in their division get into the 12 team playoff. South going to win more, it will just be more evenly distributed amongst other SEC teams. I think you will see more teams like Ole Miss or Tenn get a shot at the playoff.
5 states in the southeast winning 17 of the last 18 national titles - when programs still exist at Texas, Southern Cal, Michigan, Ohio State, etc..........is pretty wild.
The Southeast winning most of them? No, that makes sense. None of the powerhouse programs - that still recruit tons of players and have put tons and tons of guys in the NFL over that period - managing ONE? I mean yea, that's a little surprising.
Posted on 1/10/23 at 4:00 pm to SummerOfGeorge
SEC West over the past 20 years as been the best division in the best conference in college football. That explains probably 60% of the totals.
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