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Posted on 7/7/22 at 12:35 pm to
Posted by dhand
nashville
Member since Oct 2015
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Posted on 7/7/22 at 12:35 pm to
Definitely is
Posted by Rebel Land Shark
Member since Jul 2013
30167 posts
Posted on 7/7/22 at 12:39 pm to
I think we should just pour all our resources into making the best baseball program, it's not like we're ever going to win shite in football especially once we add 10 more teams to the SEC
Posted by Henry Jones Jr
Member since Jun 2011
68500 posts
Posted on 7/7/22 at 1:07 pm to
Or hire Hugh Freeze back and let tNetwork go nuts
Posted by Oxford Ways
Member since Jun 2015
4332 posts
Posted on 7/7/22 at 1:10 pm to
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Rebel Land Shark


We gotta build up that rifle program too

Kidding aside, they'll probably be the next team to win one here
Posted by pankReb
Defending National Champs Fan
Member since Mar 2009
64513 posts
Posted on 7/7/22 at 1:15 pm to
Someone feel free to correct me but I feel like we can't really do much more than what we're already doing in baseball.

No need to expand.
Bianco makes $1.2mill + unknown compensation from UMAF.(before what I'm sure will be huge bonuses from winning the CWS.)

We could up the budget for assistants but I can't imagine we would throw too much into that budget unless we KNEW that we had a hell of a hitting coach and wanted to keep him.
Posted by ManBearSharkReb
Member since Dec 2018
3736 posts
Posted on 7/7/22 at 10:45 pm to
25,000 ole miss fans just dropped conservatively $2,000 each (I personally spent $4,000) for one weekend in Omaha which is roughly $50MM.

Not sure how we have people on here bitching about Ole Miss not being able to compete in the new NIL landscape.

The problem is we have absolutely nothing set up for the average fans that would be willing to donate a couple grand each year in exchange for one of the most competitive sports programs in the country.

$50MM would be more than enough to buy a two deep of 5/4 stars in football, 10 elite basketball players, and the best starting 9 with an absolute nasty pitching staff in baseball.

We’re not little ole miss anymore.
Posted by pankReb
Defending National Champs Fan
Member since Mar 2009
64513 posts
Posted on 7/8/22 at 3:21 am to
quote:

25,000 ole miss fans just dropped conservatively $2,000 each (I personally spent $4,000) for one weekend in Omaha which is roughly $50MM.

Not sure how we have people on here bitching about Ole Miss not being able to compete in the new NIL landscape.

The problem is we have absolutely nothing set up for the average fans that would be willing to donate a couple grand each year in exchange for one of the most competitive sports programs in the country.

$50MM would be more than enough to buy a two deep of 5/4 stars in football, 10 elite basketball players, and the best starting 9 with an absolute nasty pitching staff in baseball.

We’re not little ole miss anymore.



This.

We spent a collective $94k in two weeks just on jello shots.
Posted by POCKET
Member since Nov 2011
2607 posts
Posted on 7/8/22 at 8:10 am to
I don’t think there is anywhere close to 25,000 fans willing and/or able to give $2K per year to NIL.

I don’t think there is much a of correlation in most peoples minds between spending $2K on an experience / family vacation and spending $2K buying players. Too indirect of a benefit.

If I tell my wife I want to give $2K to an 18 year old kid so he’ll come to Ole Miss she will laugh at me. For some reason she thinks my kids education, being able to retire one day, etc. are more important.

Small market teams are at a disadvantage. I don’t think there is any denying that. Oxford doesn’t have the same # of businesses willing to use it for advertising that say LA or Columbus, Ohio has. And national brands like Beats, Dr. Pepper, etc. would rather these guys be in big markets.

I believe there are at least 2 separate NILs set up for the average fan. Chuck set up one and then set up a poll asking why only a few people had contributed.
Posted by SquarePizzaRebel
Atlanta, GA
Member since Nov 2013
2364 posts
Posted on 7/8/22 at 8:34 pm to
Jordan Rhodes to transfer. Played in 11 of 13 games last year I believe. This will be his second transfer as he came to us from South Carolina. Just thought I’d post an FYI.
Posted by Insideradvantage
Member since Oct 2014
6890 posts
Posted on 7/8/22 at 9:41 pm to
Got transferitis it would seem.
Posted by ManBearSharkReb
Member since Dec 2018
3736 posts
Posted on 7/9/22 at 3:16 am to
We graduate about 4,000 students every year. If you only go back 50 years that’s 200,000 alumni. You only need 10% of that number to give 2 grand a year on top of what the big money people would give. ESPN will be covering our athletic budget for the next decade. So no excuses about not being able to pony up for NIL. shite if you paid our entire 2 deep an average of $250k per player that’s only $11MM. This shite is very feasible we just lack organization and outreach. I’ve never been contacted about donating to NIL and I would gladly give $2k each year to watch ole miss compete for a natty.
Posted by ManBearSharkReb
Member since Dec 2018
3736 posts
Posted on 7/9/22 at 3:18 am to
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I believe there are at least 2 separate NILs set up for the average fan. Chuck set up one and then set up a poll asking why only a few people had contributed.


And there’s the problem right there. You need private equity guys running this not spirit chuck.
This post was edited on 7/9/22 at 3:19 am
Posted by No Colors
Sandbar
Member since Sep 2010
10383 posts
Posted on 7/9/22 at 6:47 am to
quote:

would gladly give $2k each year to watch ole miss compete for a natty.


The problem isn't resources. It's scale of resources. What makes you think that we can do something that other programs can't? Why would $250k per athlete allow us to compete and bring 4* and 5* kids from other states?

We are literally the poorest state in the union. And we split our resources between two teams.

Just look at Arkansas and Louisiana. They have 2-3x the financial resources and half the schools to focus that money on.

If we can raise 250k per athlete, then those guys can raise $1 million.

This is an arms race. And we can't win.
Posted by ManBearSharkReb
Member since Dec 2018
3736 posts
Posted on 7/9/22 at 12:05 pm to
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Why would $250k per athlete allow us to compete and bring 4* and 5* kids from other states?


That’s significantly more money than nearly every player at Texas or A&M is making which is the barometer right now.

quote:

We are literally the poorest state in the union.


Our alumni are pretty rich and psychotic about football.

quote:

This is an arms race. And we can't win.


Loser mentality.
This post was edited on 7/9/22 at 12:09 pm
Posted by No Colors
Sandbar
Member since Sep 2010
10383 posts
Posted on 7/9/22 at 1:29 pm to
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That’s significantly more money than nearly every player at Texas or A&M is making which is the barometer right now.


Dude. If you think the smallest school in the poorest state can go head to head financially with essentially the wealthiest school in the wealthiest state, then I don't know what to tell you.

I don't care what the numbers are. If we can raise X amount of money for a linebacker, then Texas AM can literally raise 10X that amount and buy that player out from under us.

That's not a "mentality". That's math.
Posted by Insideradvantage
Member since Oct 2014
6890 posts
Posted on 7/9/22 at 7:45 pm to
I hate all this shite but it is what it is. We didn’t seem to do too well consistently under the old way where cheating was done under the table and we just tried not to get caught. Now it’s like you can cheat all you want but our shallow pockets won’t allow us to cheat hard or often enough.
Posted by ManBearSharkReb
Member since Dec 2018
3736 posts
Posted on 7/9/22 at 11:50 pm to
You’re making up a fictional hypothetical scenario that is an extreme example that fits your loser mentality.
Ole miss can fricking compete dude.
We literally just bought the 2020 #1 RB in America. What do you call that? Is that not competing? Going and taking Michael Trigg and Jaxson Dart is that not competing?

There’s gonna be market value for players. You don’t just go spend 10 million on a player because you can. And there are plenty of players with similar talent. We have plenty of money for 4 and 5 star talent that can compete against slightly higher rated guys.

Guarantee Ole Miss didn’t have close to the amount of 4 and 5 stars as Bama when we beat them back to back years.
We just need enough to compete.

So many pussies in this thread. Embarrassing.
Posted by Grateful Reb
Member since Apr 2011
8070 posts
Posted on 7/11/22 at 9:32 pm to
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So many pussies in this thread. Embarrassing.


This.

Our fanbase has some whiny little bitches in it.
Posted by ManBearSharkReb
Member since Dec 2018
3736 posts
Posted on 7/12/22 at 11:50 am to
2021 Team Composite Rankings

This is last years teams composite rankings which ranks teams based on their cumulative amount of 4 and 5 star talent on each team.

Ole Miss was ranked #27 with 1 5star and 19 4stars. We destroyed 2 top 10 teams (#5 LSU with 6 5stars 43 4stars and #8 A&M with 5 5stars and 43 4stars) We were better than half of the top 10 most talented teams last year (Clemson, LSU, A&M, Florida, Texas, Oregon, USC)

Keeping Kiffin is paramount.
Posted by ManBearSharkReb
Member since Dec 2018
3736 posts
Posted on 7/12/22 at 11:54 am to
Baylor (who had 12 4stars) beat our arse.
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