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Dude. Don't you learn?

You're not gonna make it 24 hours like this. Unbelievable.

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simpstothegrinder

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Man. You can't say I didn't warn you.

Not even 6 full days. That might be a record for the TD Ukraine war thread. But certainly not for your troll farm.

You just came on too strong, too fast. Learn to be more subtle. Next time, lighten up on the name calling, and try to discuss issues from both sides. Like a human.

But it seems you never learn.

Until your next alter! :cheers:

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You have to be somewhat of a narcissist, an arsehole, and a douche canoe to be successful at the highest levels.

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Kiffin should have multiple natties

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I would have said the same thing at one time, it's more up in the air now.

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Probably the biggest running argument in this thread that goes back to the very beginning is something along the lines of this:

"Ukraine should cut whatever deal they can, as soon as they can. The terms will only get worse. If they keep fighting they won't have any leverage at all. They're all just dying for nothing."

But that turned out to be misinformed.

Ukraine has definitely improved its position at the negotiating table.

The main points that Russia put forth in the first three years of the war (Russia picks Ukraine leaders, Russia and China jointly guarantee Ukraine security, 100,000 man standing army, no western military equipment, no western alliances, no economic or investment deals unless approved by Russia, etc)

Those are all off the table now.

At this point Putin would settle for just getting the Donbas.

But even Trump refused to push that to Ukraine. Because its obvious to even Trump that Russia can't take it.

So what does Russia get from this?

Whatever it ends up being, it's a whole lot less than what they thought they were gonna get.

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had the US and EU not decided to fight Russia

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Well. To be fair, the Ukrainians did most of the fighting. And the dying. So don't leave them out.

And. Serious question: If a neighbor invaded your country. With the aim of turning you into a puppet state, like Belarus. Would you fight? Or would you just be ok with losing your sovereignty?

Second question: Is Ukraine better off today than they would have been if they had rolled over and become the next Belarus?

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Our tax dollars at work.

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I thought Trunp stopped that?

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It’s Ukraine agriculture that will suffer.

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No. It's worse than that. Gasoline will be $8 a gallon here in the US when all the Russian refineries are blown up.

If you disagree with that you're an idiot boomer and you don't understand "global macroeconomics" (even though it's a microeconomic issue).

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I love verbally abusing low IQ neoboomers like you. Enjoy it, snowball.

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I'm not the angry little bitch who tries to play geopolitical sage, but doesn't know the difference between a micro and a macroeconomic issue.

But snowball is a perfect name for you. A thing that melts hard, and vanishes quickly. Just like you. :cheers:

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No offense, but you're obviously clueless about world macroeconomics

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exporting approximately 1.9 million barrels per day (bpd). Against total worldwide refined fuel consumption—which averaged roughly 105 million bpd for the year—Russian refined fuel exports made up roughly 1.8% of global demand.

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Wow. Russian exports were only 1.7% of worldwide fuel consumption. I didn't realize they were so insignificant.

Meanwhile China and India added 1 million bpd last year. So now they can buy that cheap sanctioned Russian oil. And run it through their new modern refineries. Much cheaper and more efficient than using product from those antiquated Soviet era plants.

I guess the world market won't miss Russian diesel after all?

Except in Russia. Where it seems to be missing quite acutely.

And I have a master's degree in international finance. So I'm pretty caught up on macroeconomics. Although I think this issue is more of a micro one.

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simpstothegrinder

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Also, I see reports from Russian bloggers that fuel prices have skyrocketed in the past month. Even after Russia bought 50,000 MT of gasoline from Kazakhstan.

Do you expect this situation to get better by the end of the year? Will Russia find a way to stop these drones which appear to be having a real effect on the oil refineries?