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re: Saban Coaching Tree - How successful would you rate it?
Posted on 6/19/21 at 12:47 pm to magildachunks
Posted on 6/19/21 at 12:47 pm to magildachunks
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He gave a bunch of reasons with numbers and stats, but the main point he was trying to get across was that if Bama got through LSU, you could pretty much pencil them in as the Champs. Unless it was a weird year where Auburn is on the rollercoaster climb, or they lose to Clemson in the NC.
“If Bama beats LSU they’re bound to win it all…except when they don’t.”
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Posted on 6/19/21 at 1:19 pm to magildachunks
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This tree is only great while under him.
If you look at this poll, six of the preseason top 25 are former Saban assistants who have used his program model significantly.
Fisher, Cristobal, Smart, and Napier overwhelmingly. Kiffin significantly, although he's definitely less disciplined personally, and brings a lot of Pete Carroll's levity to OM as well. Sark remains to be seen, but I expect you'll see excruciating level of detail in his new approach.
I don't remember a time that one coach has been ranked #1 at the same time six of his former assistants were good enough to be ranked.
Let's not forget Curt Cignetti, who parlayed four years at Alabama into his first HC job and took Saban's method to small school ball. He's made the playoffs seven out of 10 seasons as a DII and FCS HC. He's had James Madison in the semifinals or championship game both of his seasons there.
And Mark Dantonio retired as the winningest coach in MSU history. Even managed to win the B1G three times.
This post was edited on 6/19/21 at 1:22 pm
Posted on 6/19/21 at 1:24 pm to Evolved Simian
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Let's not kid ourselves by saying his HC philosophy is derived from Bowden at all
I didn't say that. His career started with Terry Bowden (10 years). And then he worked for Bobby Bowden for two.
There's no question Saban was a huge influence, but when we are talking true coaching trees, Fisher spent a lot more time with the Bowden family and is a part of that tree.
Hell, for that matter Muschamp started as a GA with Bowden too.
Bama fans have a really weird attachment to Jimbo for some reason and I think that it's because he's been successful and worked for Saban.
This post was edited on 6/19/21 at 1:45 pm
Posted on 6/19/21 at 1:26 pm to magildachunks
Check this out, Bellicheck and Parcells are from the Ray Perkins Tree.
Posted on 6/19/21 at 1:37 pm to magildachunks
Pretty good, but the Hayden Fry coaching tree>>>>>>>> all
Posted on 6/19/21 at 1:42 pm to magildachunks
Saban pwns
Posted on 6/19/21 at 1:56 pm to BowlJackson
Pretty damn good tree...NFL Coaches though
Posted on 6/19/21 at 4:52 pm to BowlJackson
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Pretty good, but the Hayden Fry coaching tree>>>>>>>> all
Nah.Lavell Edwards is perhaps the GOAT with multiple branches that also includes NFL HC's.
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NFL Head Coaches
Brian Billick (BYU tight end 1974-77, Grad. Assistant 1978)
Mike Holmgren (BYU quarterbacks coach 1982-85)
Andy Reid (BYU OL 1978-80, Grad. Assistant 1982)
College Head Coaches
Scott Brumfield (BYU OL 1990-92)
Norm Chow (BYU assistant 1973-1999)
Jim Criner (BYU assistant 1972)
Mike Empey (BYU OL 1987; 91-93, GA 94-96, OT/TE 00-04)
Wally English (BYU OC & QB coach 1978)
Scott Giles (BYU LB 1990-91, GA 1993-94)
Tom Holmoe (BYU DB 1978-82, GA 1990-91)
Dave Kragthorpe (BYU OC & OL coach 1970-1979)
Ed Lamb (BYU LB 1995-96)
Dwain Painter (BYU QB&WR coach 1974-75)
Jim Paronto (BYU LB 1983-84)
Mesa State: 1990-93
Steve Sarkisian (BYU QB 1995-86)
Doug Scoville (BYU OC & QB coach 1976-77, 1979-80)
Mike Sheppard (BYU GA 1977-78)
Kalani Sitake (BYU RB 1994, 1997-2000)
Charlie Stubbs (BYU Alum, GA 1983-84)
Ted Tollner (BYU QB coach 1981)
Garrett Tujague (BYU OL 1989-91)
DeWayne Walker (BYU CB coach 1994)
Kyle Whittingham (BYU LB 1978-81, GA 1985-86)
Other Connections (did not coach or play for Coach Edwards)
Mike Leach - BYU alum, heavily influenced by Coach Edwards
Hal Mumme - Coach Edwards a major influence on his offensive strategy
Matt Edwards - Grandson of LaVell Edwards, currently coaching at Southern Virginia University
This post was edited on 6/19/21 at 4:57 pm
Posted on 6/19/21 at 5:11 pm to magildachunks
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He gave a bunch of reasons with numbers and stats, but the main point he was trying to get across was that if Bama got through LSU, you could pretty much pencil them in as the Champs. Unless it was a weird year where Auburn is on the rollercoaster climb, or they lose to Clemson in the NC.
This is a weird take. LSU has been competitive, but the reality is:
LSU is 1-9 against Alabama in the past 10 games.
Ole Miss has 2 wins in that time, double LSU.
Auburn has 3. Yet, they are the ones that need the roller coaster climb?
Posted on 6/19/21 at 5:20 pm to Torbraydo
Curly Hallman says hold my beer.
Posted on 6/19/21 at 5:27 pm to Torbraydo
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Saban has single handedly ruined the sport.
Awful sandy today.
Posted on 6/19/21 at 6:36 pm to RD Dawg
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Nah.Lavell Edwards is perhaps the GOAT with multiple branches that also includes NFL HC's.
There's a few good coaches, but most of those names nobody has ever heard of
Posted on 6/19/21 at 7:21 pm to magildachunks
It must not be much....Saban's 23-0 against them! 
Posted on 6/19/21 at 7:38 pm to 3down10
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This is a weird take. LSU has been competitive, but the reality is:
LSU is 1-9 against Alabama in the past 10 games.
I agree that it is a bit of stretch with that take.
However, I think part of the reasoning behind it is that LSU-Bama have BOTH been ranked Top 5 in 6 of the matchups during this time period. No other regular season CFB matchup can even hold a candle to that in this time frame. While matchup wise Bama has dominated, on paper LSU is the team that should've been their biggest test all year before the CFP. And it's not like every single one of these games were complete blowouts.
This post was edited on 6/19/21 at 7:39 pm
Posted on 6/19/21 at 7:47 pm to Torbraydo
quote:Chad Morris and John L Smith say hold my beer.
IQ wise, arguably the dumbest person to ever run an SEC program.
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