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Posted on 2/10/20 at 8:53 am to 1723lale
If Bama can claim 41 so can MSU since we beat them and we won the SEC that year
Posted on 2/10/20 at 8:59 am to 1723lale
However you count NCs, it's more than LSU will ever get before the heat death of the universe
Posted on 2/10/20 at 9:10 am to 1723lale
Here's all the years Alabama COULD claim a title, if they truly were as loose with the claims as people say:
1925, 1926, 1930, 1934, 1936, 1937, 1941, 1945, 1950, 1961 - 1966, 1973 - 1980, 1991, 1992, 1994, 2009, 2011, 2012, 2015, 2017
Does Alabama truly have 30 national titles? No, of course not. Don't be absurd.
Does Alabama have the most AP/UPI titles? Yup
Does Alabama have a remarkable enough of a history that 30 times there was a chance they were the best team in the country? Pretty close to it, sure.
Alabama also broke Neyland's 34 game winning streak and gave Tennessee their only loss of the year. As well as shutting out an undefeated Washington State in the Rose Bowl.
I'm not going to defend the 1941 title. I'm no fan of it. That said, the Houlgate system wasn't some nerd in his basement making shite up. It was published in newspapers all across the country during that time.
But no - we still shouldn't claim it. It's silly.
The debate regarding if Bowl games were part of the season or exhibition games raged on for a good while in the 60s and early 70s, and different coaches approached them differently. Some practiced their players and prepped for the game, while others told the players to enjoy their time on the beach.
1925, 1926, 1930, 1934, 1936, 1937, 1941, 1945, 1950, 1961 - 1966, 1973 - 1980, 1991, 1992, 1994, 2009, 2011, 2012, 2015, 2017
Does Alabama truly have 30 national titles? No, of course not. Don't be absurd.
Does Alabama have the most AP/UPI titles? Yup
Does Alabama have a remarkable enough of a history that 30 times there was a chance they were the best team in the country? Pretty close to it, sure.
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1930 - Notre Dame and Alabama were unbeaten. The majority of humans and numbers side with Notre Dame’s brutal schedule over Alabama’s greater dominance, with SRS considering these Irish an all-time great. Bama’s claims it even though only Notre Dame finishes #1 in Helms and NCF..
Alabama also broke Neyland's 34 game winning streak and gave Tennessee their only loss of the year. As well as shutting out an undefeated Washington State in the Rose Bowl.
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1941 - Minnesota. Alabama claims, but The Tide were shut out twice, finished #20 in the AP Poll, and waited four decades to claim this, based literally on one man’s analysis.
I'm not going to defend the 1941 title. I'm no fan of it. That said, the Houlgate system wasn't some nerd in his basement making shite up. It was published in newspapers all across the country during that time.
But no - we still shouldn't claim it. It's silly.
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1964 - Unbeaten Arkansas UPI. Bama finishes #1 in AP, before its loss in bowl game.
1965 - Alabama. Michigan State claims it, based on a poll released before MSU’s bowl loss.
1973 - Notre Dame beat Alabama in a #1 vs. #3 bowl. But Bama #1 UPI before game.
The debate regarding if Bowl games were part of the season or exhibition games raged on for a good while in the 60s and early 70s, and different coaches approached them differently. Some practiced their players and prepped for the game, while others told the players to enjoy their time on the beach.
Posted on 2/10/20 at 9:18 am to skrayper
Some teams weren't even accepting bowl invites in the 60s, chief among them Notre Dame. Had Alabama simply done what Notre Dame did for all those years and not accepted a bowl invitation at the end of the '64 season, we'd have finished the season undefeated at 10-0. And there would be no complaints except perhaps Arkansas fans arguing that the AP or UPI should have split the national championship between the two schools.
This post was edited on 2/10/20 at 9:19 am
Posted on 2/10/20 at 9:22 am to StopRobot
quote:..and I imagine that's why they didn't. Of course, all this has nothing to do with fair, but I have a hard time not interjecting it into conversations like this. When you have the previous year's #1 team that goes undefeated, but is ranked #3 because the #1 and #2 teams tied each other (Mich St. & Notre Dame), and one wouldn't even accept a bowl invitation, and the other one just ran out the clock to insure the tie....well...what can you say?
Bama SHOULD have been but they werent and if you are not awarded either the AP or UPI after WWII then you shouldnt claim it IMHO
This post was edited on 2/10/20 at 9:25 am
Posted on 2/10/20 at 9:25 am to 1723lale
Most reasonable Bama fans I know don't approve of 1941. Must be an awful problem to have to choose 15 or 17
Posted on 2/10/20 at 9:27 am to skrayper
I have no freaking clue why we chose ‘41 instead of ‘45 to stake our claim to. ‘45 we could at least make a decent argument for, although the Army team that year is generally considered one of the greatest teams of all time. ‘41 is inexcusably bad. With our history we leave out legitimate years to claim a year we finished 9-2? So stupid.
I don’t really care, though, and the only people who truly do are the ones who buy a new “Got ##?” shirt after each NC (or fans of other teams, as this thread shows). We have more than anyone else however you count them. Let fans of lesser programs squabble about exactly how far behind us they are. As the lead dog, we are the only one without someone else’s arse in our face.
:insert Nick Cage hair blowing gif here:
I don’t really care, though, and the only people who truly do are the ones who buy a new “Got ##?” shirt after each NC (or fans of other teams, as this thread shows). We have more than anyone else however you count them. Let fans of lesser programs squabble about exactly how far behind us they are. As the lead dog, we are the only one without someone else’s arse in our face.
:insert Nick Cage hair blowing gif here:
Posted on 2/10/20 at 10:32 am to 1723lale
Fans and schools can claim as many as they want, but when the press and the media repeat those claims that is the issue. Alabama claims way too many and AU not enough, but that is CF. Auburn (Jay Jacobs) decided not to claim any additional NCs due in part to how many perceived Bama and their claims. But he did an injustice to those players who earned that right. AUs 1913 team earned the right to be recognized by the University, many of them fought in WWI and one died. It would have been cool to recognize them 100 years later.
Posted on 2/10/20 at 10:55 am to 1723lale
Few more than LSU !!! 
Posted on 2/10/20 at 10:56 am to StopRobot
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There wasnt even an unofficial declarer like the AP or UPI after WWII. 3, plenty of other schools have gone back and claimed titles later.
The AP era started in 1936
Posted on 2/10/20 at 11:38 am to 1723lale
1941 is the only bad claim IMO. However, #20 in the AP is even worse. The AP poll was extremely biased back in the early years, but it is what it is. Still wouldn't claim 1941.
I think there is a simple formula for legitmate claims.
Pre-1936. Rose Bowl wins/Math formula wins are legit. These are all claimed retroactive because National championships didn't really exist.
1936-1998. Poll Era. Only the major polls are legit. Math polls, like Alabama's 1941 claim are not legit. AP/UPI/Coaches polls are the only ones that count, even split claims. Alabama does not have a legit claim on 1966, even if it's bullshite.
1998-2013. BCS Era. Only BCS titles count. Polls are no longer valid, and that includes USC's 2 AP claims in 2003/2004.
2014-present. Playoff Era. Only playoff championships count.
UCF's national championship claim recently might be the worst claim in college football history. That type of claim hasn't been legit since 1936. And btw, the BCS computers were never a selector, so maybe even worse.
As for Alabama's overall number. To be honest, I lost count. I think it's 16.
I think there is a simple formula for legitmate claims.
Pre-1936. Rose Bowl wins/Math formula wins are legit. These are all claimed retroactive because National championships didn't really exist.
1936-1998. Poll Era. Only the major polls are legit. Math polls, like Alabama's 1941 claim are not legit. AP/UPI/Coaches polls are the only ones that count, even split claims. Alabama does not have a legit claim on 1966, even if it's bullshite.
1998-2013. BCS Era. Only BCS titles count. Polls are no longer valid, and that includes USC's 2 AP claims in 2003/2004.
2014-present. Playoff Era. Only playoff championships count.
UCF's national championship claim recently might be the worst claim in college football history. That type of claim hasn't been legit since 1936. And btw, the BCS computers were never a selector, so maybe even worse.
As for Alabama's overall number. To be honest, I lost count. I think it's 16.
Posted on 2/10/20 at 11:54 am to skrayper
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'm not going to defend the 1941 title. I'm no fan of it. That said, the Houlgate system wasn't some nerd in his basement making shite up. It was published in newspapers all across the country during that time.
It was posted in regional papers out west. Not a whole lot. He wasnt even regarded as anything until he published a football almanac in the 60s.
Also another note about the '41 title. It wasnt even awarded to Bama in 1941. It mysteriously changed in the 60s with his almanac
old newspaper
This post was edited on 2/10/20 at 11:57 am
Posted on 2/10/20 at 11:59 am to Poker Dough
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Most reasonable Bama fans I know don't approve of 1941. Must be an awful problem to have to choose 15 or 17
Shouldnt it be 16 or 17? Regardless I wish The University would just say we arent going to officially recognize 1941 but they dont have to tear up the plaque in front of Bryant Denny or anything.
Posted on 2/10/20 at 12:04 pm to 1723lale
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The AP era started in 1936
Yes but it wasnt till after WWII that it, along with the UPI became the standard.
Posted on 2/10/20 at 12:05 pm to NYCAuburn
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Also another note about the '41 title. It wasnt even awarded to Bama in 1941. It mysteriously changed in the 60s with his almanac
I have zero interest in defending this title, but an interesting note is that the clipping you have is from December 2nd, prior to the bowl games. Alabama ended up beating Texas A&M in the Cotton Bowl, who was ranked 17th in that poll. Minnesota did not play in a bowl game that year.
That's about the only reason I could see it changing, presuming Houlgate took those into account.
Alabama played a tougher schedule, but that's irrelevant considering the two losses.
Posted on 2/10/20 at 12:27 pm to 1723lale
Of all the pathetic LSU obsessions over Alabama football, this one is the stupidest (refs are a close 2nd). Every AP/UPI national championship is recognized by any school who ever won one. They are legit to claim because that is how it was done in those days. And if anyone doubts Bama was the best team in the country after they embarrassed Miami in ‘92, you’re FOS. But for the sake of argument, let’s drop every one of them except BCS and CFP NCs. No one in the SEC can touch Bama from 1998 to now.
This post was edited on 2/10/20 at 12:32 pm
Posted on 2/10/20 at 12:29 pm to SonzofSaban
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Since Nick Saban won the 2003 title, most Bammers claim that one as well.
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Posted on 2/10/20 at 12:32 pm to 1723lale
21-0 still haunts you guys... 8 in a reaux still crushes you, and the fact that Saban isn't going back to LSU has lead you to insanity...
The Bama obsession is unhealthy but your tears are glorious...
Bama threw you a bone last yet you create threads like this... smh
The Bama obsession is unhealthy but your tears are glorious...
Bama threw you a bone last yet you create threads like this... smh
Posted on 2/10/20 at 12:43 pm to 1723lale
quote:2:00am and you have Bama's NC's on the brain.
1723lale
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