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re: Spinoff Thread: AU’s last 12 Composite 5 Star commits

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Posted by Glorious
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Posted on 5/7/19 at 10:20 am to
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I really believe if it wasn't for the two Mulligans, the narrative of Saban being the greatest coach in the history of CF would be totally different.


Of course. What would Tom Brady’s legacy be without a Drew Bledsoe injury, the Tuck Rule, and Adam Viniteri
Posted by Irons Puppet
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Posted on 5/7/19 at 10:22 am to
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Yep, he'd just be one of best of all time instead of the best of all time. 4 national titles overall, 3 at Alabama (2009, 2012, 2015), insane run of Top 5-7 finishes and 11+ win seasons, 8 SEC Titles (6 at Alabama).

Still pretty good.


I agree, but I think there are those Bama fans who would be gripping about the glass being half full. I think they would be very vocal and pushing for the majority. It is like with Richt, UGA fans were thrilled just to have won the SEC, then when everyone around them won NCs, they wanted him fired.
Posted by SummerOfGeorge
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Posted on 5/7/19 at 10:24 am to
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I agree, but I think there are those Bama fans who would be gripping about the glass being half full. I think they would be very vocal and pushing for the majority.


I don't think more than about 2% of Alabama fans would be vocal and complaining about a coach winning 3 national titles and 6 SEC titles in 12 years.

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It is like with Richt, UGA fans were thrilled just to have won the SEC, then when everyone around them won NCs, they wanted him fired.


Richt went 10 seasons without winning a SEC Title before he was fired. His last one was in 2005.

In this scenario Alabama would be defending SEC Champs and 3 seasons removed from a national title.
This post was edited on 5/7/19 at 10:27 am
Posted by Irons Puppet
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Posted on 5/7/19 at 10:25 am to
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Of course. What would Tom Brady’s legacy be without a Drew Bledsoe injury, the Tuck Rule, and Adam Viniteri


Those were not Mulligans. Just like McCoy getting hurt on the first series or ND not playing anyone.
Posted by Irons Puppet
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Posted on 5/7/19 at 10:27 am to
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I don't think more than about 2% of Alabama fans would be vocal and complaining about a coach winning 3 national titles and 6 SEC titles in 12 years.



I think you strongly underestimate the Bama sidewalk fans. Hell, they bitched about Hurts who lost 2 games as a starter.
Posted by SummerOfGeorge
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Posted on 5/7/19 at 10:28 am to
Ok
Posted by rockiee
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Posted on 5/7/19 at 10:28 am to
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I don't think more than about 2% of Alabama fans would be vocal and complaining about a coach winning 3 national titles and 6 SEC titles in 12 years.



This is such a strange take
Posted by elposter
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Posted on 5/7/19 at 10:30 am to
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What Bammers like you fail to answer is how does AU even beat bama once, much less one out of every three games, with the talent differential between the two programs.


Same way Ole Miss has more wins against Alabama since 2014 than Auburn does. It's football in the SEC and even the best teams get beat and no team is immune from matchups that they have trouble with.

Also I think 2010 Auburn and 2013 were very talented. I don't know if you recall but Auburn went undefeated and won the BCSNC in 2010 with a generational talent at QB and went to the BCSNCG in 2013 before falling to a very good FSU team. Alabama also lost other games both of those years as well. It's hilarious you are acting like Auburn was the equivalent of some little directional school in years they were ranked #1 and #2 in the country.

I can tell you are proud of Auburn's accomplishments the last decade and you should be. Apparently both programs are pretty satisfied with how things have gone. A win-win if you will.
Posted by BhamBlazeDog
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Posted on 5/7/19 at 10:44 am to
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Any other Team in the SEC with similar numbers against Saban?


Sylvester Croom was 1-1 against Saban.
Posted by Irons Puppet
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Posted on 5/7/19 at 10:44 am to
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It's hilarious you are acting like Auburn was the equivalent of some little directional school in years they were ranked #1 and #2 in the country.


You must not have read the OP. I am not acting like AU is a little directional school, the poster said AU is not developing talent. I just pointed out that it might be true, but nobody could explain how AU wins one in three games against a team going thru their greatest run in their history. A team that is producing first rounders at a record pace, yet can not consistently put the dagger in AU. The two games against Ole Miss is unexplainable also. Nobody seems to have the answer.
Posted by fibonaccisquared
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Posted on 5/7/19 at 10:52 am to
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Richt went 10 seasons without winning a SEC Title before he was fired. His last one was in 2005.

In this scenario Alabama would be defending SEC Champs and 3 seasons removed from a national title.


Get out of here with your logic SOG... Auburn fans only have a few crutches... don't kick crutches out of crippled kids hands. It's just not nice.
Posted by Irons Puppet
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Posted on 5/7/19 at 10:58 am to
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Richt went 10 seasons without winning a SEC Title before he was fired. His last one was in 2005.

In this scenario Alabama would be defending SEC Champs and 3 seasons removed from a national title.

Get out of here with your logic SOG... Auburn fans only have a few crutches... don't kick crutches out of crippled kids hands. It's just not nice.



What had they accomplish the 10 years before Richt arrived ? What other coach since Dooley had won an SECC ? So having to watch the other programs around them win SEC and NCs had nothing to do with it ?
Posted by Bham4Tide
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Posted on 5/7/19 at 12:19 pm to
I’m sure other teams are not sharing this when competing against AU in recruiting . . .
Posted by fibonaccisquared
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Posted on 5/7/19 at 12:22 pm to
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What had they accomplish the 10 years before Richt arrived ? What other coach since Dooley had won an SECC ? So having to watch the other programs around them win SEC and NCs had nothing to do with it ?


Pick an argument...

Here was your comment that started this chain:

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It is like with Richt, UGA fans were thrilled just to have won the SEC, then when everyone around them won NCs, they wanted him fired.


SOG correctly asserted that Richt wasn't fired because neighboring programs won national championships... rather that Richt failed to win another SECCG in 10 years, and only played for 2 more in that 10 year span, despite crumbling programs in UF and UT. And even those were in the rearview mirror. The trajectory of the program was flat or down... currently, it looks to be up. Seems like they made the right decision.
Posted by RT1941
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Posted on 5/7/19 at 12:50 pm to
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The trajectory of the program was flat or down... currently
AU's program to a tee. Surely now is the time for Gus to do better than averaging 3-4 losses a year?
Posted by Irons Puppet
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Posted on 5/7/19 at 12:51 pm to
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AU's program to a tee. Surely now is the time for Gus to do better than averaging 3-4 losses a year?




What is Kirby averaging the last three years ?
Posted by Irons Puppet
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Posted on 5/7/19 at 12:59 pm to
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SOG correctly asserted that Richt wasn't fired because neighboring programs won national championships... rather that Richt failed to win another SECCG in 10 years, and only played for 2 more in that 10 year span, despite crumbling programs in UF and UT.


Richt had played in 3 SECC in 10 years and won two. And had gone to the SECCG as late as 2012 (ten years after his first). What other coaches besides Saban and Les Miles can make that claim ? No, UGA didn't fire Richt because LSU, Bama, UF and Auburn won NCs during his tenure. We know this because SOG told us so.
Posted by fibonaccisquared
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Posted on 5/7/19 at 1:07 pm to
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What is Kirby averaging the last three years ?


2 out of 3 seasons finished the regular season in the top 5 of the CFP. 2 out of 3 seasons in the SECCG. The only season where we failed to do this was his first...

Projected to be in a similar position in 2019...

I would say that's generally upward trajectory from a program standpoint no matter who you are... let alone a team that had not been in the SECCG since 2012.

Auburn has 8, 10, and 8 wins the past 3 seasons... Georgia has 8, 13, and 11...

Comparing loss totals when one team has an additional SECCG appearance and CFP bowl game appearance seems more than a little intellectually dishonest.
Posted by fibonaccisquared
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Posted on 5/7/19 at 1:11 pm to
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Richt had played in 3 SECC in 10 years and won two.

Math is really hard I suppose... that or you prefer to shift timelines around to suit your narrative.

Mark Richt circa 2001-2005 was not fired from UGA... Mark Richt circa 2008-2015 was... Between rosters that had all the promise but couldn't deliver to failure to take advantage of a beneficial situation relative to rivals in the East, it was clear that Mark Richt's best days as a coach were behind him.

UGA is now on an upward trajectory with a new coach. Miami has already parted ways with Mark after finding this out the hard way. It's not even really a debatable point.

What is fascinating here, is that an Auburn fan would rather distract from their colossal failures at developing talent as a program and point it to their favorite past time... hating on the school they couldn't get into.
Posted by DawgsLife
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Posted on 5/7/19 at 1:17 pm to
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Did any of them have 630 yards of Offense against him?

A&M had 628 yards in 2013.
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