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Posted on 1/17/19 at 11:46 am to FooManChoo
Posted on 1/17/19 at 11:46 am to FooManChoo
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Experience? He got boatloads of that.
No he didn’t. He was the backup QB.
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Posted on 1/17/19 at 11:50 am to FooManChoo
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Context. You were saying that a QB needs to do more with his legs, with the implication that Fromm isn't capable of doing so with his level of athleticism. Given the context of Fromm vs. Fields, it was obvious to see the connection: we need someone more like Fields because we need a QB who can get it done with his legs.
In a close game, a qb often needs to do more with his legs. I think we beat bama 2x in a row if Fromm had rushed for 25+ yards in both.
Posted on 1/17/19 at 11:53 am to Dawgsontop34
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both games we've played, Fromm has not been in the top 5 reasons we've lost IMO.
Such a ranking is silly, but Qb is too important of a position to relegate it’s rank so low.
Posted on 1/17/19 at 12:38 pm to djsdawg
I probably didn’t explain that very well. What I really meant is that after both games, at no point did I feel like it was Fromm’s fault. Maybe he wasn’t perfect. But he was phenomenal in the second game, and fine in the first game.
Posted on 1/17/19 at 12:51 pm to Dawgsontop34
It’s less about losing it and more about not winning it. He didnt play well in that first game and he played good in the second game. To win, We needed just a little bit better in both games.
Posted on 1/17/19 at 12:53 pm to djsdawg
I guess that’s fair as long as you’re saying the same thing about every single other player on the team.
Posted on 1/17/19 at 1:16 pm to Dawgsontop34
The guy with the ball obviously has more opportunity to makes plays than anyone else. That’s why the focus is often on qbs. Not only can They make up for missed blocks, and good coverage, but they can also keep the defense and kickers off the field. That Doesn’t mean the qb is the only guy that can step up as many mistakingly assume. The defense can also win games.
Posted on 1/17/19 at 1:26 pm to djsdawg
Had Fromm caught some more passes we would have won. Had Fromm broken tackles and run for more TDs and 1st downs we would have won. Had Fromm blocked better at the line of scrimmage the Bama defense wouldn't have pressured him into bad throws and we would have won.
See? All those other guys on the field interfered with Fromm winning the game all by himself. Shame on them.
See? All those other guys on the field interfered with Fromm winning the game all by himself. Shame on them.
Posted on 1/17/19 at 1:51 pm to djsdawg
quote:You're right about that, and Fromm has done that in the past. Even so, sometimes the pocket collapses in such a way to make a sack (or throw away) unavoidable, even for guys with fast feet. The issue at hand is whether or not Fromm is a liability in the pocket because he isn't a scrambler like, say, Justin Fields.
When the pass rush creates pressure and guys are covered, legs can make huge plays for A team.
quote:If you want to point to Fromm losing us the games against Bama because of his feet, then please show me your case. As it stands, I've dissected the games several times and have been unable to see where Jake Fromm was the problem that cost us a national championship and another shot at one.
That’s usually what it takes to Beat bama, and it’s no coincidence, and they don’t have to be true dual threats to do It.
As it stands, Jake Fromm in his youth has played very well considering going up against the best and 2nd best team in the country back-to-back seasons and that he was more than capable of helping our team win. Our losses are not on him and having a Justin Fields back there wouldn't necessarily help things either.
Posted on 1/17/19 at 1:54 pm to djsdawg
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No he didn’t. He was the backup QB.
Are you really, seriously, honestly saying that the snaps that Fields got this past season don't qualify as experience because he wasn't the starter?
I'm not even sure how to respond to that.
This post was edited on 1/17/19 at 2:20 pm
Posted on 1/17/19 at 1:58 pm to djsdawg
quote:If our RBs (who run with the ball as their primary responsibility) rushed for more yards, we likely would have won. If our OL blocked better, we likely would have won. If our ST performed better, we likely would have won. If our defense got one more stop, we likely would have won. If our coaches game-planned better and/or made better adjustments during the game, we likely would have won. Etc.
In a close game, a qb often needs to do more with his legs. I think we beat bama 2x in a row if Fromm had rushed for 25+ yards in both.
Yes, having a true mobile QB can be helpful, but my point isn't to say that such a thing isn't beneficial, but that isn't not necessary to win if everyone else does what they are supposed to do. You and others keep foisting the blame on Fromm for not beating Bama when it's obvious to anyone else that he was not the reason we lost. The only reason I can think of for such a focus on Fromm is because you think Fields is better, and as this season showed, he wasn't the better QB at the time and there's no guarantee that he would be better than Fromm when Fromm leaves for the NFL.
Posted on 1/17/19 at 2:56 pm to FooManChoo
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However, you still need to have a great supporting cast to win championships.
Any chance you could call up the Packers front office and say that a few thousand times?
- Aaron Rodgers
Posted on 1/17/19 at 3:04 pm to FaCubeItches
They are probably a 3 win team without him.
Posted on 1/17/19 at 3:19 pm to AllDawgCK
A great QB can only take a team so far, but he can't play defense, catch balls, block, kick FGs, etc., as was pointed out earlier.
Posted on 1/17/19 at 3:38 pm to djsdawg
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When the pass rush creates pressure and guys are covered, legs can make huge plays for A team. That’s usually what it takes to Beat bama, and it’s no coincidence, and they don’t have to be true dual threats to do It.
See, this is what people who don’t understand football will say and it’s only kind of true if the QB has enough vision to threaten the defense enough down field. A QB that can’t make the down field reads isn’t gonna run himself out of trouble very often. The play action game does a much better job of keeping a defense off balance and honest. Every once in a while, you find a player who can excel at both. Fields may be there one day. If he was there this season, he would have taken Fromm’s job... it’s pretty simple in that regard.
Posted on 1/17/19 at 4:30 pm to Peter Buck
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ee, this is what people who don’t understand football will say and it’s only kind of true if the QB has enough vision to threaten the defense enough down field. A QB that can’t make the down field reads isn’t gonna run himself out of trouble very often. The play action game does a much better job of keeping a defense off balance and honest. Every once in a while, you find a player who can excel at both. Fields may be there one day. If he was there this season, he would have taken Fromm’s job... it’s pretty simple in that regard.
It’s clear you either quoted the wrong post or misunderstood what I posted as your response lacked relevance to my point.
Posted on 1/17/19 at 4:46 pm to FooManChoo
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you really, seriously, honestly saying that the snaps that Fields got this past season don't qualify as experience because he wasn't the starter?
Certainly Not enough snaps to make huge strides in his development.
Posted on 1/17/19 at 4:47 pm to djsdawg
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Certainly Not enough snaps to make huge strides in his development.
Is his development more important than winning football games?
To some people, I feel like it was, and to others, not so much.
Posted on 1/17/19 at 4:47 pm to AlaCowboy
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Had Fromm broken tackles and run for more TDs and 1st downs we would have won
Agree. He needed to do what other qbs have done vs bama.
Posted on 1/17/19 at 4:57 pm to djsdawg
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Agree. He needed to do what other qbs have done vs bama.
Trevor Lawrence had all of 27 rushing yards, and almost none were because a play broke down.
Fromm was good enough to beat Bama. Yes, he could have been better. But I'd take his performance all day against Bama. He was good enough to win if we did well enough in other areas.
This post was edited on 1/17/19 at 4:59 pm
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