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re: Haselwood's comments about our staff
Posted on 1/17/19 at 5:01 pm to djsdawg
Posted on 1/17/19 at 5:01 pm to djsdawg
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It’s clear you either quoted the wrong post or misunderstood what I posted as your response lacked relevance to my point.
I responded to your post quoted. It’s likely that you don’t understand football enough to understand what I stated in its context. Which was a secondary point I made. Clearly.
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Posted on 1/17/19 at 5:04 pm to Dawgsontop34
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Trevor Lawrence had all of 27 rushing yards, and almost none were because a play broke down. Fromm was good enough to beat Bama. Yes, he could have been better. But I'd take his performance all day against Bama. He was good enough to win if we did well enough in other areas
LAWRENCE also had his receivers making huge catches for him to extend drives.
Posted on 1/17/19 at 5:11 pm to Peter Buck
We're riding with Fromm right now. I think Fields will compete for a Heisman in the next two seasons, but I'll be rooting for Jake to make us all forget about Justin.
IMO, bottom line is we lost out on a potential generational QB, but we keep one of the best QBs ever to suit up for UGA who is fully capable of taking us to a championship. Not ideal, but still a pretty damned good position to be in.
IMO, bottom line is we lost out on a potential generational QB, but we keep one of the best QBs ever to suit up for UGA who is fully capable of taking us to a championship. Not ideal, but still a pretty damned good position to be in.
Posted on 1/17/19 at 5:18 pm to Peter Buck
Our receivers played pretty well against Bama the second time around. First time, Wims made a rare drop that led to Fromm's first interception. Outside of that I thought they played well.
Posted on 1/17/19 at 6:10 pm to djsdawg
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Had Fromm broken tackles and run for more TDs and 1st downs we would have won
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Agree. He needed to do what other qbs have done vs bama.
Clearly you did not see the sarcasm in my post. Fromms job is NOT to break tackles and run for yards, catch passes, or make blocks on the offensive line.
Had other players (whose job that is to do) done their jobs in the second half of the 2017 NC game and the 2018 SECCG, we likely would have won both games.
Posted on 1/17/19 at 7:16 pm to AlaCowboy
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romms job is NOT to break tackles and run for yard
Fromm's job as QB to to make positive plays happen to earn points and first downs by any means necessary. Make no mistake, its okay for a QB to use his legs when a pass play is shut down.
Posted on 1/17/19 at 7:32 pm to Dawgsontop34
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First time, Wims made a rare drop that led to Fromm's first interception
You need to watch that play again. It was a terrible pass, well underthrown. A good pass goes for a TD there.
Posted on 1/17/19 at 7:34 pm to Peter Buck
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I responded to your post quoted. It’s likely that you don’t understand football enough to understand what I stated in its context
Whatever the context, your response didnt support or refute my point, so I guess you failed to understand my point. I am not talking about "A QB that can’t make the down field reads" or "play action" or "Fields".
This post was edited on 1/17/19 at 8:02 pm
Posted on 1/17/19 at 7:51 pm to FooManChoo
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If you want to point to Fromm losing us the games against Bama because of his feet, then please show me your case. As it stands, I've dissected the games several times and have been unable to see where Jake Fromm was the problem that cost us a national championship and another shot at one. As it stands, Jake Fromm in his youth has played very well considering going up against the best and 2nd best team in the country back-to-back seasons and that he was more than capable of helping our team win. Our losses are not on him and having a Justin Fields back there wouldn't necessarily help things either.
I am not talking about losing games, but rather not winning them. The QB usually needs to make plays to win close games vs tough teams, and that includes plays when pressure is applied and no one is open. Getting that extra yard to move the chains can make all the difference in the world. If Fromm had the extra element of dangerous legs, I imagine it would have helped a lot, at least enough to win both games vs Bama.
Posted on 1/17/19 at 7:53 pm to djsdawg
anyone else want to jump in here and explain it to her? 
Posted on 1/17/19 at 7:53 pm to FooManChoo
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The only reason I can think of for such a focus on Fromm is because......
........because he is the QB. Its that simple.
Posted on 1/17/19 at 8:08 pm to Dawgsontop34
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Trevor Lawrence had all of 27 rushing yards, and almost none were because a play broke down.
Lawrence was below average in the number of rush yards of winning Qbs vs Bama, but still well above where Fromm was.
Posted on 1/17/19 at 8:44 pm to djsdawg
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Fromm's job as QB to to make positive plays happen to earn points and first downs by any means necessary. Make no mistake, its okay for a QB to use his legs when a pass play is shut down.
So all blame belongs to Fromm? Never mind the RB that is tackled 1 yard short of a 1st down, a WR that drops a pass or runs a bad route, or the OL that fails to block the guy that puts pressure on or sacks the QB. It's all Fromms fault.
Posted on 1/17/19 at 8:58 pm to djsdawg
It was definitely a bad pass, but unfortunately Fromm couldn’t step into his throw from what I remember.
But at the same time that’s the type of play Wims had made all season.
But at the same time that’s the type of play Wims had made all season.
Posted on 1/17/19 at 9:03 pm to djsdawg
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If Fromm had the extra element of dangerous legs, I imagine it would have helped a lot, at least enough to win both games vs Bama
Of course it would help, but he also made some throws that not a lot of QBs would make. That throw to Mecole in the National Championship game was unbelievable. The one to Swift on the last drive was a thing of beauty.
I think that it’s completely absurd that we’re blaming Fromm for those two games.
Posted on 1/17/19 at 9:09 pm to AlaCowboy
quote:It's just that the quarterback, of all the players, has the most control of the outcome relative to other positions.
So all blame belongs to Fromm?
Overall, the last two years have been great. Fromm, more than any other player, deserves the most credit for that success.
Posted on 1/17/19 at 9:21 pm to AlaCowboy
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So all blame belongs to Fromm? Never mind the RB that is tackled 1 yard short of a 1st down, a WR that drops a pass or runs a bad route, or the OL that fails to block the guy that puts pressure on or sacks the QB. It's all Fromms fault.
Focusing on the most important guy on the field in no way absolves others for their own mistakes or inabilities.
Posted on 1/17/19 at 9:22 pm to Dawgsontop34
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Of course it would help, but he also made some throws that not a lot of QBs would make.
True, but that wasnt enough. He needed to make more passes, or make some plays with his legs.
Posted on 1/18/19 at 2:05 pm to djsdawg
quote:1. You didn't qualify your previous response. You simply said he didn't get, as I put it, "boatloads" of experience, and then added that it was because he was the backup and not the starter.
Certainly Not enough snaps to make huge strides in his development.
2. With this statement you are implying that the fault in the lack of huge strides in Fields' development is on the coaching staff for not giving him more playing time and not on Fields for not making the most of the snaps he got and using those to his advantage in the film room and in practice during the week.
All players should be getting better from week to week. Some get better just by watching from the sidelines and see what others do. Some get better each week in practice. Some get better in the film room and others in the weight room. Some are fortunate enough to get playing time. Fields was fortunate enough to get playing time.
If you think his lack of development (not even talking about "huge strides") was due to not getting enough playing time, there's clearly something wrong with him, as red shirt players get better without the playing time he got. They get better elsewhere.
What you are saying defines simple common sense in football. Fields got opportunities that most backup QBs would kill to get, yet it's not his fault that he didn't make any progress throughout the season.
Posted on 1/18/19 at 2:14 pm to djsdawg
quote:Semantics. When you criticize the QB for not doing enough to win a game, you are saying he's culpable for the loss and deserving of criticism for that loss. The result is the same.
I am not talking about losing games, but rather not winning them.
quote:Not necessarily. Sometimes an outstanding receiver takes over. Sometimes its a running back. Sometimes it's actually the defense that steps up and wins a game. Other times it's an outstanding special teams play that makes the difference. And yes, sometimes it's the quarterback play. You can't make a blanket statement that when a game is close, it's incumbent on the QB to be that difference maker. Sometimes a QB is doing all he can do but isn't getting help elsewhere. It's why you have to look at specifics instead of throwing blame generically at the QB because he's the face of the offense. It's ignorant and unproductive.
The QB usually needs to make plays to win close games vs tough teams, and that includes plays when pressure is applied and no one is open.
quote:It can, yes. The same can be said for receivers and running backs. I've seen "the slide" called out specifically as an example where Fromm didn't go that extra mile, and as I've said several times, it was the smart move in that situation. If it were 3rd or 4th down, Fromm should have done whatever he could to get that extra yard, but on 2nd down, he did his job and was relying on the coaches and his other players to help convert on the next play. You keep forgetting about the team aspect to football, it seems.
Getting that extra yard to move the chains can make all the difference in the world.
quote:Maybe. Maybe not. If he was quicker on his feet, he might have been tempted to take off and run more, which could have resulted in injury. You never know what can happen, which is why playing the what-if game is rather pointless.
If Fromm had the extra element of dangerous legs, I imagine it would have helped a lot, at least enough to win both games vs Bama.
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