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re: Haselwood's comments about our staff
Posted on 1/16/19 at 3:50 pm to FooManChoo
Posted on 1/16/19 at 3:50 pm to FooManChoo
I care about irrational coaches because they have been, and are, an anchor tied to the program.
Posted on 1/16/19 at 3:53 pm to djsdawg
quote:There's nothing to ignore. He played well throughout the game and Bama turned up the heat on our entire offense at the end to limit our offensive production. It wasn't just on Fromm.
Of course you ignore how ineffective he was to end that game in 2017. Just like 2018.
Even so, if our defense makes some stops, we've got a national championship and are in the playoffs this past season. People like you seem to forget that football is a team game and are placing all of our hopes and dreams on a single player.
And what I said still stands: with the production that Fromm had in both games, we scored enough points to win or play for a win if our defense holds.
Posted on 1/16/19 at 3:53 pm to Whiznot
quote:I agree with you, which is why I have concerns about CKS for giving Fields so much playing time this past season.
I care about irrational coaches because they have been, and are, an anchor tied to the program.
Posted on 1/16/19 at 4:33 pm to Long Dawg
Potential never guarantees results. So he was a standout in high school? Guess what - so was just about every other guy he's now playing against. The smart move is to take time to learn and develop in order to excel at the collegiate level. That will help maximize his chance for success at the pro level, too.
Otherwise, why waste time in college? Just take the Eric Swann route and start getting paid by playing semi-pro ball, and make the jump to the NFL from there.
Otherwise, why waste time in college? Just take the Eric Swann route and start getting paid by playing semi-pro ball, and make the jump to the NFL from there.
Posted on 1/16/19 at 4:44 pm to Long Dawg
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FIELDS was a DAWG. He committed to us when every team in the country wanted him outside of Clemson
Actually, FIELDS was a NITTANY LION. He decommitted from Penn State to become a Dawg. Dude's now on his third college and he's only played one year of ball.
Posted on 1/16/19 at 4:51 pm to FaCubeItches
Wrong. Fields was committed to Penn State for just a few months before he went from 3 star to 5 star. It was an early commitment and de-commitment - just like a million other kids. Fields was NEVER a Nittany Lion. If Fields was a Nittany Lion then Fromm was a Roll Tide.
Posted on 1/16/19 at 4:58 pm to Long Dawg
He committed to Penn State; he was a Nittany Lion. He is no longer one, just as he is no longer a Dawg. And, if stuff doesn't go exactly the way he wants at tOSU, he may well add "was a Buckeye" to that list.
And yes, Fromm was. Was. Is not any longer, as he is now a Dawg.
And yes, Fromm was. Was. Is not any longer, as he is now a Dawg.
Posted on 1/16/19 at 5:20 pm to FooManChoo
I agree with you because the playing time that Fields was given was wasted (along with a year of player eligibility) and not used for development.
We, and the rest of the college football world, witnessed the irrational use of a potential championship QB.
We, and the rest of the college football world, witnessed the irrational use of a potential championship QB.
Posted on 1/16/19 at 5:22 pm to FooManChoo
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He played well throughout the game
Not well enough. He needed to do more both games, especially late.
When plays break down, it’s up to a qb to make something out of nothing, often with legs.
If the other offense is doing well, you need to keep the ball away from them.
No single player impacts a football game more than a qb.
Posted on 1/16/19 at 5:23 pm to Long Dawg
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FIELDS was a DAWG. He committed to us when every team in the country wanted him outside of Clemson. Fields was the highest ranked QB to come out of High school in last 10 years w/ exception of Trevor Lawrence in the same class. We had him....all Kirby/Chaney had to do was just manage the situation better and get Fields to his Sophmore year where there would have been time to sort all of this out. No one is "worshiping" Fields - there was no plan and Kirby said as much. There's no one in the pipe on roster this year, next year nor anyone being recruited as good as Justin Fields. The bungling of how Fields was handled could cost UGA a Natty in 2020-2021. If Fromm goes down in 2019, could cost us one then as well. I'm a UGA alum (BBA '88) and been waiting a long time for a Natty. Kirby has us on the doorstep but it takes more than just a great roster to win the Natty - gotta have a great trigger man as well.
There was a plan... make no mistake. Smart wasn’t going to share it with the public.
Fields got more reps and opportunities than a second string QB. With the redshirt rule, Fields could have gotten significant playing time in 2 early games and still be able to possibly red shirt... ho,ding on to those other 2 games in case Fromm got dinged and we needed a QB to finish a game. There is no reason for that to have played out any differently unless Fields wasn’t having it. Smart tried to make everyone happy and it couldn’t work.
Posted on 1/16/19 at 5:26 pm to Peter Buck
In your insider opinion, what role did Stetson B's sudden departure play in how Fields was used?
Posted on 1/16/19 at 5:40 pm to Whiznot
quote:I've got to blame Fields as much as CKS on this one, though. Everything seems to point to Fields demanding playing time and not being used as a wildcat QB in the red zone, which is the most logical use for him as a freshman, TBH. CKS, instead, tried to get him premium snaps at seemingly random times so that he could see the field from all lengths and situations. Trying to do that while giving Fromm the time he deserved was the balance that was difficult.
I agree with you because the playing time that Fields was given was wasted (along with a year of player eligibility) and not used for development.
We, and the rest of the college football world, witnessed the irrational use of a potential championship QB.
What needed to happen was that CKS told Fields that its his (CKS') way or the highway and use him in goal line situations to get points and throw the ball a little in blowout situations so that Fromm wasn't taken off his game. The kowtowing to Fields is what I have a problem with, not necessarily how Fields was used, as I suspect how he was used was based on whatever agreement was made between him (and his family) and CKS. Don't give in to the demands of a terrorist and you won't have to second guess how you executed on those demands.
Posted on 1/16/19 at 5:45 pm to FooManChoo
Wild speculation in this post.
Posted on 1/16/19 at 5:50 pm to djsdawg
quote:There's always more a particular player could do, but at some point, you have to realize that the team as a whole needs to do better. If Fromm put up 500 yards, 5 TDs, and 0 INTs, we could still lose the game if our defense sucks. That's essentially what happened in the SECCG, where he put up really good numbers by himself (well, with the blocking and catching there) against Bama's defense but we still couldn't close it out. Part of that is on us and part of that is on Bama stepping it up and making the right adjustments. QBs don't play in a vacuum.
Not well enough. He needed to do more both games, especially late.
quote:Maybe? It's up to the entire team to execute well so that a QB doesn't have to try to make something with his legs. Fromm was doing just fine throwing the ball rather exclusively until we had some inopportune stops by Bama's defense stepping up and bringing pressure and making good plays on the ball.
When plays break down, it’s up to a qb to make something out of nothing, often with legs.
Also, a running QB gets spied. Fields and his elite legs had no where to go against their defense.
quote:Yes, and that has a lot to do with play calling and execution. That isn't entirely on the QB, either, which is my point. People like you seem to think if Fields was the starter instead of Fromm, we would have torn Bama a new one because he can pull the ball down and run, which seems to be his go-to move anyway.
If the other offense is doing well, you need to keep the ball away from them.
quote:Depends on the game and situation. A QB can throw perfect balls all day but if his WRs can't catch, the chance of INTs go up. If the OL can't block, it doesn't matter how good the QB is. If the RBs fumble a lot, there's nothing the QB can do about that. If the offense plays a nearly perfect game but the defense can't stop the other team, it can come down to special teams plays (like the fake punt) to greatly impact the outcome.
No single player impacts a football game more than a qb.
With that said, the QB does have a special place on the field and get more focus than they probably should. Football is played as a team and if a QB doesn't get help, it doesn't matter how good he is by himself.
Posted on 1/16/19 at 5:51 pm to Long Dawg
quote:Yep. No more than the "Fields would bring us a natty" argument that gets thrown around by the other side, though.
Wild speculation in this post.
At least the rumors about secret promises seem to have support based on what happened on the field.
Posted on 1/16/19 at 6:13 pm to FooManChoo
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Bama turned up the heat on our entire offense at the end to limit our offensive production
Great QBs find ways to make plays even when the defense "turns up the heat". Vince Young against USC, Deshaun Watson and Cardale Jones (who wasn't even a great QB) against Alabama, Jameis Winston against Auburn, etc...
Posted on 1/16/19 at 6:17 pm to FooManChoo
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If Fromm put up 500 yards, 5 TDs, and 0 INTs, we could still lose the game if our defense sucks. That's essentially what happened in the SECCG, where he put up really good numbers by himself
Essentially? He was almost on a pace for those numbers a little more than halfway through, and if he had put up those numbers, we win in blowout fashion.
Posted on 1/16/19 at 6:21 pm to djsdawg
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He was almost on a pace for those numbers a little more than halfway through, and if he had put up those numbers, we win in blowout fashion.
That's a little bit of a ridiculous standard to hold him to though.
Posted on 1/16/19 at 6:29 pm to FooManChoo
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a running QB gets spied. Fields and his elite legs had no where to go against their defense.
When spied, opportunities elsewhere should open up.
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It's up to the entire team to execute well so that a QB doesn't have to try to make something with his legs.
Not realistic. A very good defense is going to find cracks. The best way to counter a crack is with an athletic qb doing things at the spur of the moment. Turning punts into first downs and points is essential and it wins games. Watching other games, we see it happen so often.
Posted on 1/16/19 at 6:29 pm to Dawgsontop34
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little bit of a ridiculous standard to hold him to though.
That’s not the bar I set. All we know is He needed to do more than he did.
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