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Can PFF explain how Tua scored so low against auburn
Posted on 11/26/18 at 2:48 pm
Posted on 11/26/18 at 2:48 pm
Posted on 11/26/18 at 3:00 pm to Kcstills17
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PFF grades the play, not its result, so the quarterback that throws the ball to defenders will be downgraded whether the defender catches the ball to notch the interception on the stat sheet or not. No amount of broken tackles and yards after the catch from a bubble screen will earn a quarterback a better grade, even though his passing stats may be getting padded.
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They grade a players responsibility and impact on every play, not what the stats say.
Posted on 11/26/18 at 3:02 pm to MagillaGuerilla
Tua didn't have any turnover worthy throws did he though right? I remember a couple of high balls and some out of bounds but his grade is so low considering the amount of perfectly placed passes he had.
Posted on 11/26/18 at 3:09 pm to Kcstills17
Kyler Murray received a 93.4, while Tua received a 73.5
Murray's stats
20/27, 74.1 completion %, 364 yards, 3 TDs, 1 INT
9 rushes for 114 yards, 1 TD
Tua's stats
25/32, 78.1 completion %, 324 yards, 5 TDs, 0 INTs
4 rushes for 26 yards, 1 TD
Now, I realize that Tua had less passing yards on more attempts, but he also had more TDs, a better completion % and zero INTs, while Kyler had 1.
And I realize that Kyler had a better day rushing, but Tua still had a good ypc, and the same amount of rushing TDs as Kyler.
I can see why Kyler's PFF score is higher, but there is no way that Tua's should be 73.5 while Kyler's is a 93.5.
Having said all of that, I have no fricking clue exactly how PFF does their scores.
Murray's stats
20/27, 74.1 completion %, 364 yards, 3 TDs, 1 INT
9 rushes for 114 yards, 1 TD
Tua's stats
25/32, 78.1 completion %, 324 yards, 5 TDs, 0 INTs
4 rushes for 26 yards, 1 TD
Now, I realize that Tua had less passing yards on more attempts, but he also had more TDs, a better completion % and zero INTs, while Kyler had 1.
And I realize that Kyler had a better day rushing, but Tua still had a good ypc, and the same amount of rushing TDs as Kyler.
I can see why Kyler's PFF score is higher, but there is no way that Tua's should be 73.5 while Kyler's is a 93.5.
Having said all of that, I have no fricking clue exactly how PFF does their scores.
Posted on 11/26/18 at 3:13 pm to Kcstills17
He also had a lot of check downs and dump offs, which reduce his graded impact.
His first half wasn't anything spectacular, which likely dragged his overall grade down. The first Ruggs TD did a lot more for his own grade than Tua's, as he did most of the work.
His first half wasn't anything spectacular, which likely dragged his overall grade down. The first Ruggs TD did a lot more for his own grade than Tua's, as he did most of the work.
Posted on 11/26/18 at 3:13 pm to Funky Tide 8
Exactly. Tua didn't have any throws that could've been intercepted that should've brought his score down. Not to mention he threw some absolute dimes out there. How do those not give a high score? Of course this isn't that important but I thought it was a little strange in that pff has graded him lowly in some of his best games, while giving really high grades in some of his normal games.
Posted on 11/26/18 at 3:16 pm to MagillaGuerilla
You're right that grade would make sense for the 1st half. But he had 4 down the field accurate td throws in the 2nd half. Guess they weren't that impressive to PFF...
This post was edited on 11/26/18 at 3:17 pm
Posted on 11/26/18 at 3:23 pm to Kcstills17
he also had a sack and a penalty called for intentional grounding. i know they factor into qbr, but no clue on pff.
Posted on 11/26/18 at 3:30 pm to Funky Tide 8
What I don't understand about PFF's love affair with Murray is why they seemingly ignore the fact that he's throwing to comically wide open receivers 15+ times nearly every week. I understand the idea of knocking QBs for incompletions that should have been interceptions and not giving them credit for screen/pop passes that turn into 60 yard TDs, but completing a 40 yard pass to a guy who doesn't have a defender within 10 yards of him really shouldn't be viewed much differently. Any semi-competent college QB should be able to make that throw with relative ease.
Posted on 11/26/18 at 3:45 pm to Funky Tide 8
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Having said all of that, I have no fricking clue exactly how PFF does their scores.
Same here, man.
They graded Ruggs
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Henry Ruggs III, WR – 70.2 overall grade
He had 5 receptions, 62 yards totals, 12.4 yards/catch, and 2 TDs.
Plus, he had 2 key monster blocks waaaaay down field to help Jacobs and D Smith into the endzone.
Posted on 11/26/18 at 4:44 pm to Robot Santa
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I understand the idea of knocking QBs for incompletions that should have been interceptions and not giving them credit for screen/pop passes that turn into 60 yard TDs, but completing a 40 yard pass to a guy who doesn't have a defender within 10 yards of him really shouldn't be viewed much differently.
Any semi-competent college QB should be able to make that throw with relative ease.
I'm a big fan of analytics and more insightful stats, but analytics works much better for baseball and even basketball than football. The "graders" are having to make educated guesses on assignments and the intent of the play and that leads to a lot of subjective results.
Baseball has a concept of "Value over Replacement Player" (VORP) - it was developed to address exactly the problem that you described earlier (throwing to wide open receivers)
Posted on 11/26/18 at 5:17 pm to Robot Santa
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PFF
When I first started seeing this abbreviation, I thought meant “Paul fricking Finebaum”.
Posted on 11/26/18 at 5:31 pm to Robot Santa
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What I don't understand about PFF's love affair with Murray
They still think Tua is going to win the Heisman though
Posted on 11/26/18 at 5:44 pm to Kcstills17
PFF is supporting Murray for heisman. LINK
Posted on 11/26/18 at 5:47 pm to jatebe
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PFF is supporting Murray for heisman.
Not exactly. From the article you linked:
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If Oklahoma can convincingly defeat Texas for the Big 12 Championship, the Heisman is Murray’s to lose. If Tagovailoa can have another game like the one he had against Auburn where he combined to score six touchdowns against the Georgia defense in the SEC Championship game to get to 13-0, then it’s the Hawaiian’s to lose.
FWIW, I thought it read like they favor Murray, too.
Posted on 11/26/18 at 6:17 pm to Funky Tide 8
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Having said all of that, I have no fricking clue exactly how PFF does their scores.
PFF = rand(75)+25.9
Posted on 11/26/18 at 7:25 pm to CrimsonTideMD
Damn right it does, one just says if he beats Texas he should get it while Tua's says throw six fricking TDs and win.
Posted on 11/26/18 at 7:37 pm to Funky Tide 8
Murray also had a fumble turnover in his game. Two turnovers, and almost all of his passing yards was seven yard drag route passes that went for TD's because WV defense is so bad it will melt your eyeballs out. Only defense I've seen worse than theirs was Oklahomas D.
Posted on 11/26/18 at 7:54 pm to Kcstills17
Whatever criteria used, something ought to account for being able to throw a ball to the right spot to a receiver that has barely a half step on the defender compared to tossing it to a guy who doesn't have anyone within 15 yards of him.
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