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Jeremy Johnson
Posted on 9/18/16 at 10:13 am
Posted on 9/18/16 at 10:13 am
If you had to pick a single cause (and yes, lawd, I know there are many), would JJ be the primary reason for The Fall of the Gustian Empire?
Posted on 9/18/16 at 10:14 am to beatbammer
No, it's the lack of QB development in general that is the problem.
Posted on 9/18/16 at 10:14 am to beatbammer
Gus's hubris is the ultimate cause of his downfall.
Posted on 9/18/16 at 10:17 am to beatbammer
Nope its Gus' broken offense.
Posted on 9/18/16 at 10:19 am to AUtigR24
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Nope its Gus' broken offense.
True, everyone one has figured out that the key to stopping his offense is to take away the read option and screen passes.
Posted on 9/18/16 at 10:24 am to Fear The Thumb
You guys are right.
But Gus laying everything on the line with JJ as the "answer" seems to be the spark that started the conflagration, no?
But Gus laying everything on the line with JJ as the "answer" seems to be the spark that started the conflagration, no?
Posted on 9/18/16 at 11:17 am to beatbammer
JJ's problems point to Gus' inability to evaluate prospects. He had an insane amount of INTs in HS. If he had trouble with reading coverages in HS, why expect him to improve against SEC D's. He also recruited Sean White to a read option O.
Posted on 9/18/16 at 11:22 am to beatbammer
Last year in week three we thought JJ was a young QB with excellent potential that couldn't handle game speed. He must have - we thought - been sharp in practice but just made way too many mistakes when it all counted. It was okay. Not everyone can translate their practice performance to the field.
So we yearned for Sean White.
But Sean White looks about the same as JJ just without the absolute dumbfrickery plays like throwing the ball backwards.
So we yearned for Sean White.
But Sean White looks about the same as JJ just without the absolute dumbfrickery plays like throwing the ball backwards.
Posted on 9/18/16 at 11:29 am to Fear The Thumb
Reverse scrape with crashing ends.
Got to have a counter and an extremely mobile QB with courage.
Got to have a counter and an extremely mobile QB with courage.
Posted on 9/18/16 at 11:33 am to StringedInstruments
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But Sean White looks about the same as JJ just without the absolute dumbfrickery plays like throwing the ball backwards.
I think Sean White looks nothing like JJ. Sean isn't scared and has much better presence in the pocket. JJ looks lost and/or scared most of the time.
Posted on 9/18/16 at 11:40 am to beatbammer
Multiple reasons for offensive collapse at Auburn under Gus:
1. Poor recruiting and development of QBs
2. Poor recruiting and development of O line
3. Inability to see the strengths and weaknesses of his playing talent (Pettway, Jovon last year)
4. Awful gimmicky play calling
5. Little emotional connection as a coach. I get the feeling players don't enjoy playing for him (see Roc, Tim Irwin, etc leaving). Gus always seems angry and ready to blame anyone but himself (or Lashlee). Not saying every coach needs to have a Pete Carroll-ability to motivate players but it doesn't hurt.
1. Poor recruiting and development of QBs
2. Poor recruiting and development of O line
3. Inability to see the strengths and weaknesses of his playing talent (Pettway, Jovon last year)
4. Awful gimmicky play calling
5. Little emotional connection as a coach. I get the feeling players don't enjoy playing for him (see Roc, Tim Irwin, etc leaving). Gus always seems angry and ready to blame anyone but himself (or Lashlee). Not saying every coach needs to have a Pete Carroll-ability to motivate players but it doesn't hurt.
Posted on 9/18/16 at 11:47 am to WildWillie
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Not saying every coach needs to have a Pete Carroll-ability to motivate players but it doesn't hurt.
I'll say that. Motivating your team is a skill every coach should be a master at to succeed. Gus is too mild in his demeanor to light a fire under anyone
Posted on 9/18/16 at 11:57 am to beatbammer
This is stupid. The primary reason for the fall of Gus is Gus himself. Jeremy is a byproduct of a failed head coach and not the other way around. And it's absurd to say otherwise
Posted on 9/18/16 at 12:00 pm to beatbammer
JJ was the symptom. The single cause is that Gus can not run an offense at the SEC level or any offense he concocts unless he has a dual threat quarterback/track star to bail out the offense.
Posted on 9/18/16 at 12:30 pm to WildWillie
On number 5...have you seen any locker room videos? The team loves Gus, it's not a question.
I agree with the rest of your points though.
I agree with the rest of your points though.
Posted on 9/18/16 at 3:36 pm to WildWillie
You do realize that even NFL blows it on Qb evaluation. Look at Ryan Keaf, RG3,Jamarcus Russell.plus many others. They were suppose to be can't miss. Even then they couldn't be developed.
And you think Sabah is not a prick in the locker room and throws players and coaches under the bus.
We have one of the hardest schedules.
No one was complaining about high school gimmicky offense when we won national championship and when we went to another.
The sky is not falling.
And you think Sabah is not a prick in the locker room and throws players and coaches under the bus.
We have one of the hardest schedules.
No one was complaining about high school gimmicky offense when we won national championship and when we went to another.
The sky is not falling.
Posted on 9/18/16 at 3:55 pm to beatbammer
He'd be high on the list... He's a symptom of the major issue -- QB scouting/development.
Posted on 9/18/16 at 3:57 pm to WildWillie
#5 on your list reads like a bunch of made up gobbledygook
Posted on 9/18/16 at 7:10 pm to beatbammer
Primary Cause ? Not one, but suspect it's business related.
Much like a small business suffering from having gone too big, too fast. Where critical infrastructure was not in place to carry out Gus's plan. From wrong selections being made concerning coaches, to wrong selection of players, etc. For instance take offense, he began with a viable plan; yet a failed defense created an ever increasing vacuum for his time. There was also the failure to establish a stable work environment as management became an ever revolving door. Part of this was inherited like the flow of DC's from Roof, Van Gorder, Johnson, Muschamp, to Steele. However throw in nepotism and you have a business at risk. Especially when the chosen protegee fails to not only produce, but is also deemed immune to failure. It was rumored such favoritism hampered cohesion within management, as a hole developed from someone not doing their job. If memory serves me correct, smart managers are those who's business will run unaffected without them having to be there. Hard to say such independence was ever developed (QB's for instance).
Until now we're to the point where future strategic development is likely to suffer... including lack of capital and increased competition for limited raw resources, including future draft choices likely being withdrawn. Such an inability to address short comings has customarily led to loss of market share and eventual collapse of the business. Just a guess but I imagine time is right for a hostile takeover.
So I'm guessing Gus really never stopped being OC/QB coach long enough to become (an HC) responsible enough to run the entire company... at least that's my guess for single point of failure.
Much like a small business suffering from having gone too big, too fast. Where critical infrastructure was not in place to carry out Gus's plan. From wrong selections being made concerning coaches, to wrong selection of players, etc. For instance take offense, he began with a viable plan; yet a failed defense created an ever increasing vacuum for his time. There was also the failure to establish a stable work environment as management became an ever revolving door. Part of this was inherited like the flow of DC's from Roof, Van Gorder, Johnson, Muschamp, to Steele. However throw in nepotism and you have a business at risk. Especially when the chosen protegee fails to not only produce, but is also deemed immune to failure. It was rumored such favoritism hampered cohesion within management, as a hole developed from someone not doing their job. If memory serves me correct, smart managers are those who's business will run unaffected without them having to be there. Hard to say such independence was ever developed (QB's for instance).
Until now we're to the point where future strategic development is likely to suffer... including lack of capital and increased competition for limited raw resources, including future draft choices likely being withdrawn. Such an inability to address short comings has customarily led to loss of market share and eventual collapse of the business. Just a guess but I imagine time is right for a hostile takeover.
So I'm guessing Gus really never stopped being OC/QB coach long enough to become (an HC) responsible enough to run the entire company... at least that's my guess for single point of failure.
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