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Posted on 6/19/15 at 9:31 am
Posted by Aux Arc
SW Missouri
Member since Oct 2011
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Posted on 6/19/15 at 9:31 am
What does youth football look like in your State, and how has it changed over the years?

We now have kids as young as 5yrs in pads. In the early 90's kids weren't padding up until about 5th grade. We also now have year-round opportunities to play beginning in Junior High.

My sense is that Missouri is just now catching up to the southern states in this regard. Is that true in your experience? Do you think early youth development explains some of the talent gap between north and south when it comes to recruiting?

TLDR: Does better/earlier youth football explain why some areas have more top recruits?
Posted by WG_Dawg
Hoover
Member since Jun 2004
86607 posts
Posted on 6/19/15 at 9:33 am to
Tennessee has resembled a youth ball team the last few years but this would probably be suited for a different board?
Posted by threedog79
Member since Sep 2013
3001 posts
Posted on 6/19/15 at 9:48 am to
Where I was from the minimum age was 10 and the max age was 12 for rec ball. In other words, you could play rec ball at age 10 and then if you wanted to play middle school ball at 11 or 12 (6th and 7th grade) you could.

I will say this, the most life lessons I learned growing up was through the rec league...I played all three years before heading to middle school ball.

Where I live now they have very young leagues which is asinine and a money grab on the rec leagues part. I was taught fundamentals at 10 years old that carried throughout my playing career. Trying to teach a five year old tackling fundamentals and the overall game is crazy.

As with everything else now, every parent thinks they have a prodigy player when in reality that kid just wants to get to the end of the game to get the Gatoraid. Sad really, because the earlier leagues are all (in my opinion) over zealous parent driven puppy mills.

Sorry, rant over.
Posted by JustGetItRight
Member since Jan 2012
15715 posts
Posted on 6/19/15 at 9:50 am to
quote:

We now have kids as young as 5yrs in pads. In the early 90's kids weren't padding up until about 5th grade. We also now have year-round opportunities to play beginning in Junior High.


Seriously?

I first played football in pads in the 2nd grade.

And that was in 1973.
Posted by madmaxvol
Infinity + 1 Posts
Member since Oct 2011
19273 posts
Posted on 6/19/15 at 9:59 am to
They start in pads at 6 around here. The one thing that has changed in the last 30 years or so has been the decline of Middle School (or Junior High) football. More areas in larger cities are relying on club programs through 8th grade now.

I will add that I started playing in pads when I was 6. It has been that way in East Tennessee for well over 50 years.
Posted by Bham4Tide
In a Van down by the River
Member since Feb 2011
22109 posts
Posted on 6/19/15 at 10:07 am to
I know a couple of dads who played D1 football, they will not put their kids in pads until at least the 5th grade. They have them in flag - which has really grown around Birmingham for spring and fall. They have them playing a lot youth basketball too. And their kids are normally the most athletic out there.

One thing I will say about youth football, it is funny as hell to watch a bunch of grown men in Saban hats or Malzahn visors out teaching a bunch of 2nd and 3rd graders in pads. When you start seeing that, and you have booster clubs popping up in elementary schools, stay away. Life is too short for that nonsense.

As old as I am now, and having kids who went through sports from youth to college, let them learn the game first and have fun with it. And let them experiment with what interest them. If you want to toughen them up, give youth wrestling a try, if you can find it.
Posted by boddagetta
Moulton
Member since Mar 2011
9999 posts
Posted on 6/19/15 at 10:17 am to
Nothing like starting them on the concussion trail early...
Posted by Gary Busey
Member since Dec 2014
33277 posts
Posted on 6/19/15 at 10:22 am to
My little boy who just turned 7 will start playing in pads. He just got done doing baseball for his first sport over in Gordo Alabama, but he's ready for football. Trying to see of there's a summer camp for him around Tuscaloosa.
Posted by Crowknowsbest
Member since May 2012
25901 posts
Posted on 6/19/15 at 10:24 am to
I started playing tackle when I was in 4th grade. Looking back on it, I probably should have stuck with flag for a couple more years. My brother never made it to high school football because he got too many concussions in middle school. He also started in 4th grade iirc.

IMO, the problem isn't kids hitting and hurting each other in peewee. Most of them aren't fast and strong enough to really do that. The problem is that they learn how to hit before they can hurt each other (leading with the head is effective), so then when they do get faster and stronger in middle school, they can do damage to brains that are very much still developing. In my now biased opinion, it would be better if everybody was learning during that time. It would be easier to teach kids not to lead with the head if they hadn't already picked up that habit.
This post was edited on 6/19/15 at 10:26 am
Posted by tigerdup07
Member since Dec 2007
21976 posts
Posted on 6/19/15 at 10:38 am to
I think it's more of a city thing than a state thing actually. in cities where football is promoted at a young age, football normally thrives when those kids are in high school.

in la, there are a bunch of "baseball" towns and some "football" towns for youth. it's pretty obvious to see what towns push which sport at a young age when looking at the state championship results in both sports.

Posted by Stuttgart Tiger
Branson, MO
Member since Jan 2006
14661 posts
Posted on 6/19/15 at 11:31 am to
My son is 11 and last year was his first year of tackle. Our high school took over the tackle program from the Y and the kids play for their middle school.

Other area athletic depts. have done the same thing and we've formed a league.

We have a high school coach who coordinates everything. The schools just purchased new equipment and the we're provided a play book from the high school so that we can start introducing these kids to the plays and terminology they'll have in high school.

I help coach and we'll all have to certified by the Heads Up program.

They'll condition with the Junior High team starting in July and then we'll receive pads and be able to practice before school starts.

This is for all 4th, 5th and 6th graders in our school district.

We have two middle schools in our district and the coaches at the other school have always wanted to consolidate. We're not doing that because we want all these kids to get as much playing time as possible.

For me, it's not about a trophy this year, it's about the players we'll turn over to the jr. high and then onto high school.
This post was edited on 6/19/15 at 11:38 am
Posted by TopHog1
Member since Jan 2012
2623 posts
Posted on 6/19/15 at 11:36 am to
My sons won't play tackle football until 5th or 6th grade. To many bad things can happen playing full pads that young. Plus most of the youth coaches are morons that will only teach bad habits
Posted by msudawg1200
Central Mississippi
Member since Jun 2014
9462 posts
Posted on 6/19/15 at 2:10 pm to
First played in pads here in Mississippi at age 9 in 1981. My son began playing at age 10(5th grade). He could have started at age 7 but I didn't let him. I heard Archie Manning say kids shouldn't pad up until 7th grade(jr high). I agree with this. My son is a big kid, 300 pound OL now in high school. He learned zero about blocking in youth ball. All it was about was tossing the ball to the fastest man and letting him run. No skills, techniques, etc. were taught. I guess youth ball could be ok with coaches who know what they are doing, but as some have said it is mostly a money grab, especially for the younger leagues.
Posted by blacknblu
Member since Nov 2011
10276 posts
Posted on 6/19/15 at 3:25 pm to
My son plays Pop Warner out of MO and has since he was 5 (he's 10 now). It's a very safe program, and the team is very much a family. The coaches are all certified (including heads up), and even though all the parents are aware of the risks - we're all looking out for each other - including kids from other teams.
Posted by GeauxToBed
Covington, LA
Member since Mar 2015
6113 posts
Posted on 6/19/15 at 3:34 pm to
I'm 33. I first played in pads at age 7.

Shed the pads when I got to college to play rugby.
Posted by Tackle74
Columbia, MO
Member since Mar 2012
5264 posts
Posted on 6/19/15 at 4:03 pm to
Coached middle school for a couple of years a few years ago. We had to deprogram most of the kids. The habits and techniques they learned in youth full contact football was horrible.
Posted by DannyB
Bagram, Afghanistan
Member since Aug 2010
6141 posts
Posted on 6/20/15 at 12:47 am to
Playing in pads young is nothing new. I started playing football in pads at the age of 6 in the YMCA league where I lived and that was in 1979.

I really like how they did the youth league in the town where I went to high school, Tuscumbia, AL, Deshler High School. Back then we ran the Wing-T and that offense was used all the way down into the youth leagues. The young kids in town were taught the same offense they would be running years later in high school and it paid off.

From 1986-2014, the team has won their region 21 times, made it to the state playoffs 26 times with a record of 67-24, won the state title twice (90 & 98), and in 1990 running a pure rushing attack offense set the all class state record for most points scored in a season with 600. That record has now been broken by Hoover running the HUNH.
This post was edited on 6/20/15 at 1:17 am
Posted by TheCheshireHog
Cashew Chicken Country
Member since Oct 2010
40917 posts
Posted on 6/20/15 at 1:00 am to
quote:

My sense is that Missouri is just now catching up to the southern states in this regard. Is that true in your experience?


I thought Arkansas football was behind compared to other southern states and then I moved to SW MO. The football scene here is way behind the times. Kids seem to rather play soccer and basketball than football. A town the size of Springfield should be putting out D1 prospects in football but yet they are few and far between.
Posted by Tigers of War
Ewor
Member since Aug 2013
1340 posts
Posted on 6/20/15 at 1:06 am to
Was 6 when I first played for peewee league is what they call it in my area. That was almost 30 yrs ago FYI.

And you make a good point, the more you practice something obviously the better you get. But for me, the first time I got injured I didn't really understand and it scared me. I got over it but my younger brother also played and now he has a son who he refuses to let play for now because of the risks.
Posted by PurpleandGold Motown
Birmingham, Alabama
Member since Oct 2007
22104 posts
Posted on 6/20/15 at 6:53 am to
Complete waste of time to compete in pads before 7th (at the earliest 6th grade). Flag is good though.
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