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re: Bill Battle is the Larry Coker of ADs
Posted on 4/7/15 at 12:00 pm to NorthGwinnettTiger
Posted on 4/7/15 at 12:00 pm to NorthGwinnettTiger
My fellow AU fans seem to forget that they wanted JJ ran out of town on a rail before Malzahn/Pearl being hired, (and to a lesser extent the women's softball coach and baseball coach.)
You don't judge a hire at the beginning...you judge it when that coach leaves/retires.
You don't judge a hire at the beginning...you judge it when that coach leaves/retires.
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Posted on 4/7/15 at 12:01 pm to therick711
Posted on 4/7/15 at 12:05 pm to InfernoOrangeSS
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My fellow AU fans seem to forget that they wanted JJ ran out of town on a rail before Malzahn/Pearl being hired, (and to a lesser extent the women's softball coach and baseball coach.)
We haven't forgot. But he still has a punchable face.
Posted on 4/7/15 at 12:11 pm to RollTide1987
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e also hired Dennis Franchione, Mike Price, Mike Shula and Anthony Grant.
Dennis Franchoine imo would have been successful at Bama had he chosen to stay. Mike Price and Mike Shula were just filler hires because no one good was taking the job with the sanctions Bama just got. Anthony Grant didn't work out, but it was a very popular hire at the time.
Posted on 4/7/15 at 12:16 pm to FourThreeForty
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Still makes me wonder how Dennis Franchione would've done if he hadn't bolted after a couple of years.
Me too.
Well actually I wonder how we would have done without him sinking our program.
Posted on 4/7/15 at 12:26 pm to CapstoneGrad06
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I'm very pleased with Battle. But I do want him to make the right decision on Mitch Gaspard after this season.
Yep.
He's next on the chopping block.
Posted on 4/7/15 at 12:27 pm to therick711
quote:Not GOATs, which is what the OP said.
Most people's resumes wither if you take away their greatest accomplishment. So your argument isn't really an argument.
So you're dumb and can't follow.
Posted on 4/7/15 at 12:58 pm to beaver
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but once Saban retires, Battle's career will be judged solely on who he hires
I would guess Saban outlasts Battle. I don't think Battle will be hiring Saban's replacement.
Posted on 4/7/15 at 1:04 pm to JuiceTerry
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AJ is a home run hire.
Anthony Grant was a "home run" hire.
Posted on 4/7/15 at 1:20 pm to Tuscaloosa
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People hated Mal Moore until he hired Nick Saban.
People seem to forget this.
Posted on 4/7/15 at 1:30 pm to FourThreeForty
LSU fans deal with the same situation. Most logical fans can see joe alleva has done a really good job at LSU, but because he's not an "LSU guy", he'll never be good enough for some.
Every great athletic director makes bad hires some times. Hell, I even read some Florida fans screaming "frick Foley", when he's made Florida a premier athletic program.
It's always easy to point the finger at the AD, but a lot of times they make good hires that just aren't the right fit at the school.
Honestly, Tom Jurich is the only AD I can think of who's just about made a dynamite hire nearly every time
Every great athletic director makes bad hires some times. Hell, I even read some Florida fans screaming "frick Foley", when he's made Florida a premier athletic program.
It's always easy to point the finger at the AD, but a lot of times they make good hires that just aren't the right fit at the school.
Honestly, Tom Jurich is the only AD I can think of who's just about made a dynamite hire nearly every time
Posted on 4/7/15 at 1:34 pm to tigerbait2010
Mal's real success was convincing people to give enough money to build all the facilities and upgrades that we built even while football was a disaster. Without the changes at BDS, the practice fields, etc I don't think we would have landed Saban. And that was all Mal.
As for hiring coaches, Mal clearly did not have a great track record until he hit pay dirt with Saban.
As for hiring coaches, Mal clearly did not have a great track record until he hit pay dirt with Saban.
Posted on 4/7/15 at 1:42 pm to SummerOfGeorge
I have a friend who had breakfast with him one morning, and he gushes over how cool and great of a guy Mal Moore is. It sounds like his likable personality bought him more time than most
Posted on 4/7/15 at 1:46 pm to tigerbait2010
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I have a friend who had breakfast with him one morning, and he gushes over how cool and great of a guy Mal Moore is. It sounds like his likable personality bought him more time than most
There is no doubt that he was a great man. All who knew him said as much.
He came out and stood around with all of us in right field at the NCAA Super Regional against North Carolina back in 2006. Just sat out there, talked to students as we all drank beer, ate a hot dog, watched the game. Was really, really cool. Just a really nice man.
Posted on 4/7/15 at 1:53 pm to FourThreeForty
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GOAT Mal Moore
The guy who hired Grant, Franchione, Price, and Shula?
You're an idiot.
ETA - Already been brought up. Guess I should have read through the thread first.
This post was edited on 4/7/15 at 1:55 pm
Posted on 4/7/15 at 1:55 pm to Evolved Simian
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The guy who hired Grant, Franchione, Price, and Shula?
You're an idiot.
To be fair :
- Grant was the hottest mid-major coach in basketball. Hiring him was a coup at the time for us.
- Franchione was a bastard, but he won games while he was there.
- Hiring Price after the disaster that was Fran leaving was about as good as anybody could hope for. Sanctions looming and Fran leaving and we hire a guy who was coming off 2 10 win seasons and a Rose Bowl (His 2nd) at Washington State?
- Shula - who the fvck else was he supposed to hire in May before the season started in September?
I'm not defending Moore as some legend. Those hires failed and that was on him, but he wasn't exactly hiring Saban's replacement to take over a Top 5 program in those days. His claims to fame are the facilities and Saban, and it's not a bad claim.
This post was edited on 4/7/15 at 1:57 pm
Posted on 4/7/15 at 2:03 pm to FourThreeForty
I hope so.
you'd be lucky to buy Leer Tower for a paltry $50 mil
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Alabama where the football program's net income alone could buy the city of Birmingham
you'd be lucky to buy Leer Tower for a paltry $50 milPosted on 4/7/15 at 3:18 pm to bamafan1001
He absolutely was. Doesn't mean Avery will ever win a game, but it's still a great hire.
Posted on 4/7/15 at 3:39 pm to therick711
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Mal's services as AD would not have been remembered fondly AT ALL if not for Saban.
quote:My personal opinion of Mal Moore's greatest accomplishments far preceed the hiring of Coach Saban.
Most people's resumes wither if you take away their greatest accomplishment. So your argument isn't really an argument.
Mal Moore helped launch the Crimson Tradition campaign, the first major fundraising effort for athletics in UA history. It came in the wake of one of expansions of BDS and it propelled the second expansion that topped out seating at +101,000 with the renovation and upgrade of the facade on BDS.
It has far exceeded the $100 million capital campaign that was announced back in 2002 when Bockrath was AD.
At the time Bama was on probation, through those dark days Bama could have sat back and waited till the end of probation to kick off a campaign of that magnitude. But Mal Moore wanted to raise money and get the ball rolling on facility improvements so that when we came out of the probation UA would be in a position to attrack a damn good coach.
Posted on 4/7/15 at 3:42 pm to InfernoOrangeSS
quote:SPRING BREAK 2012!! I saw bed sheets hanging from the balconies of condo's on the beach demanding to fire Jay Jacobs.
My fellow AU fans seem to forget that they wanted JJ ran out of town on a rail before Malzahn/Pearl being hired, (and to a lesser extent the women's softball coach and baseball coach.) You don't judge a hire at the beginning...you judge it when that coach leaves/retires.
IMO, that shite got someone at AU's attention and Jacobs has done a damn fine job with the latest round of coaching hires.
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