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Bama/LSU defense vs JFF
Posted on 11/24/13 at 12:37 pm
Posted on 11/24/13 at 12:37 pm
First of all, congrats to LSU on the beat down of Texas A&M. Usually there's healthy debate about which defense, Bama or LSU, is the most solid. This year, not so much, as I think we can all agree that LSU has taken a step back on that side of the ball due to the migration of underclassmen to last year's draft.
However, LSU owned TAMU yesterday from the outset. It was utter domination to the point I think the LSU defense could have arse raped JFF had they so desired. Bama on the other hand, really struggled against TAMU. JFF made them look like an overrated high school team.
So what gives? Is the scheme run by Chavis better against that type offense than the one implemented by Saban/Smart? I know LSU runs a base 4-3 and Bama a base 3-4 but both teams operate more often out of base formation. Anyway, it's clear that Chavis has JFF's number as they are the only team to make him look mortal each of the last two years. Just interested to hear opinions from some of the armchair coaches on the SECr on why LSU makes it look easy and Bama has struggled. I'll hang up and listen...
However, LSU owned TAMU yesterday from the outset. It was utter domination to the point I think the LSU defense could have arse raped JFF had they so desired. Bama on the other hand, really struggled against TAMU. JFF made them look like an overrated high school team.
So what gives? Is the scheme run by Chavis better against that type offense than the one implemented by Saban/Smart? I know LSU runs a base 4-3 and Bama a base 3-4 but both teams operate more often out of base formation. Anyway, it's clear that Chavis has JFF's number as they are the only team to make him look mortal each of the last two years. Just interested to hear opinions from some of the armchair coaches on the SECr on why LSU makes it look easy and Bama has struggled. I'll hang up and listen...
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Posted on 11/24/13 at 12:38 pm to samson73103
Hunh is the achielles heel of a Saban team.
Posted on 11/24/13 at 12:39 pm to samson73103
LSU is more physical (i.e. dirty) and play like they're pissed off. That scared Johnny to the core, apparently.
Posted on 11/24/13 at 12:40 pm to samson73103
LSU is better on the outside and could cover man to man. Alabama CBs couldn't. Overall, Alabama has the superior D but LSU's D matches up better against A&M.
Posted on 11/24/13 at 12:40 pm to samson73103
It's a few factors but Bama handled the weakest part of our D
D-Line
The goal against A&M was to keep JF contained and cover your man with DB's
Worked 2 years on A&M
D-Line
The goal against A&M was to keep JF contained and cover your man with DB's
Worked 2 years on A&M
Posted on 11/24/13 at 12:46 pm to samson73103
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Is the scheme run by Chavis better against that type offense than the one implemented by Saban/Smart?
Basically, yes.
It has more to do with the athletes Saban recruits for his system vs. Chavis up front. LSU's D can be pushed around a little bit, but against spread O's our speed and length is very effective.
Posted on 11/24/13 at 12:46 pm to samson73103
Yeah, John Chavis is known for having undisciplined, street ball defenses. And that's the key. Alabama's defense on the other hand is just too damn well coached to contain JFF 
Posted on 11/24/13 at 12:54 pm to samson73103
I think it's a combination of the scheme, how the LSU CBs just stepped up, and that the Bama defense in September is not the same as the one taking the field now.
Also, Bama failed to take advantage of their superiority on the LOS on offense to prevent a shoot out while LSU did the opposite. Bama is more than capable of replicating that type of asswhipping to aTm but they got lured into a shoot out.
Also, Bama failed to take advantage of their superiority on the LOS on offense to prevent a shoot out while LSU did the opposite. Bama is more than capable of replicating that type of asswhipping to aTm but they got lured into a shoot out.
Posted on 11/24/13 at 1:04 pm to samson73103
LSU has recruited lighter but faster DEs. Matches up with A&Ms offense pretty well. Didn't let JM get to the outside, play tight coverage, and force JM to run up the middle right into our LBs.
Of course A&M never running the ball with an actual RB helps too
Of course A&M never running the ball with an actual RB helps too
Posted on 11/24/13 at 1:10 pm to samson73103
Bama's overall defense is better this year. We have players that are better at certain positions. Like Robinson @ CB. Manziel made it easy by focusing too much on Evans. Evans is physical and I won't say he intimidates other CBs, but they're scared to get too physical back bc 90% of the time it gets called on the CB. When Robinson got physical back, and the refs were letting them play, it kind of nullified Evans.
Also, y'all's linebackers are better and although it was a joke, someone mentioned that welter was too slow to get juked therefore he was never really out if position when in pursuit.
We didn't get too much pass rush from out DL bc chavis made them play contain. It isn't a glorious role but it's how to stop a player like manziel.
Also, y'all's linebackers are better and although it was a joke, someone mentioned that welter was too slow to get juked therefore he was never really out if position when in pursuit.
We didn't get too much pass rush from out DL bc chavis made them play contain. It isn't a glorious role but it's how to stop a player like manziel.
Posted on 11/24/13 at 1:19 pm to samson73103
LSU had some notable defensive play from a couple positions.
DJ Welter has gotten ragged on all year, but I finally saw a game where his play fit in very well. He had a solid game against Manziel.
Robinson, LSU's true freshman CB, reminded everyone that LSU still is DBU. He took the physical Evans right out of the game. Something when you see a player like Evans almost disappear for four quarters.
Manziel may give Bama fits, but not LSU.
DJ Welter has gotten ragged on all year, but I finally saw a game where his play fit in very well. He had a solid game against Manziel.
Robinson, LSU's true freshman CB, reminded everyone that LSU still is DBU. He took the physical Evans right out of the game. Something when you see a player like Evans almost disappear for four quarters.
Manziel may give Bama fits, but not LSU.
Posted on 11/24/13 at 1:21 pm to samson73103
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Is the scheme run by Chavis better against that type offense than the one implemented by Saban/Smart?
Yes
Posted on 11/24/13 at 1:34 pm to samson73103
Belue was injured and Fulton couldn't cover anything when he was in. Cyrus Jones was only in his second game at corner. The other freshmen weren't ready.
LSU is also quicker up front.
LSU is also quicker up front.
Posted on 11/24/13 at 1:37 pm to samson73103
For the most part, LSU shut down JFF's option as a weapon and forced him to either hand off or throw.
It was pretty much the same strategy from last year.
The weather certainly helped neutralize things as well.
It was pretty much the same strategy from last year.
The weather certainly helped neutralize things as well.
Posted on 11/24/13 at 1:57 pm to samson73103
quote:
Is the scheme run by Chavis better against that type offense than the one implemented by Saban/Smart?
yes.
that and aggy fell for it 2 years in a row. they simply did not attack it properly. this year, LSU is vunerable up the middle and to short passes to the RB's and TE's and this had to clearly show up on film yet A&M did not take advantage much this year or last. when they did they were successful and then got away from it.
Posted on 11/24/13 at 2:22 pm to samson73103
Bama played them too early in the season. I believe if they played them yesterday it would have been the same result as yesterdays game. Bamas offense sure had gotten better as the season has progressed.
Posted on 11/24/13 at 4:17 pm to samson73103
It was just a helluva coaching job by coach Chavis. The d-line was coached to stay in their lanes and not be over aggressive. They kept pushing Jonny to his left and the DBs were coached to be physical with Evans to get in his head and throw the timing off. A&M might have had an "off" night but the LSU defense had a whole lot to do with that. They took away everything that made their offense click and kept possession of the ball to keep Manziel from ever getting into a groove.
Posted on 11/24/13 at 5:55 pm to samson73103
don't UA pay Saban a ton of money to watch films and figure that out?
Posted on 11/24/13 at 6:02 pm to samson73103
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So what gives? Is the scheme run by Chavis better against that type offense than the one implemented by Saban/Smart? I know LSU runs a base 4-3 and Bama a base 3-4 but both teams operate more often out of base formation. Anyway, it's clear that Chavis has JFF's number as they are the only team to make him look mortal each of the last two years. Just interested to hear opinions from some of the armchair coaches on the SECr on why LSU makes it look easy and Bama has struggled. I'll hang up and listen...
Actually, LSU ran a lot of 3 man line yesterday but I would not call it a 3-4 scheme. LSU ran a lot of mush rush as Bama calls it and which they have shown to know how to run it (i.e. 1/9/12). It surprised me that JFF was that effective against Bama last year and this one because they were so effective against JJ and they knew what was coming.
What I believe is the difference is that LSU LBs are lighter and faster than Bamas and JFF was able to deal with the heavy cruisers Bama uses as opposed to the speed guys we use. In the long run I would rather have the bigger guys but Chavis' Mustang package has put JFF's fire out twice now...
Posted on 11/24/13 at 6:05 pm to samson73103
LSU always has a fast defense, while Alabama always has a strong defense.
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