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Radical Culture Shift In The Program
Posted on 12/8/24 at 11:50 pm
Posted on 12/8/24 at 11:50 pm
The situation we have right now in this program is a complete and total mess.
It's got nothing to do with DeBoer being a bad coach. It's also not because Saban allowed things to rot.
The simple truth is that Saban and DeBoer are extremely different coaches. One is all about the grind and discipline and defense and grit.
The other is a laid back west coast sort of vibe who needs self-starters who hold themselves accountable. He values discipline and toughness but he needs guys to develop that themselves. He's not as much of a babysitter.
The problem is a lot of the players who were attracted to the Saban Alabama were guys who need and desire hard coaching from a man they considered to be the best. They could take being dog cussed by the GOAT. It's what they signed up for.
In walks DeBoer, and these guys dont know what to do. They don't respect the guy, no one is cursing at them anymore, and the whole vibe shifts from business to casual.
The players on this roster didn't sign up for a casual vibe. They wanted the toughest sonofabitch in the land cussing them out on the practice field.
It makes sense why there's been so much fallout.
That's to say nothing of the schematic shift on offense.
Milroe had become the face of this program, and was the unquestioned leader, but also the worst QB in the country for what DeBoer likes to do on offense.
DeBoer was hired for his offensive expertise, but our offense failed miserably this year, and never developed an identity. Milroe was the worst QB he could've hoped to inherit.
Turning the page:
MILROE HAS TO GO. One way or another, he needs to be gone. The sooner the better. He needs to pack his shite and go so DeBoer can get to work on installing his real offense. This team needs a completely fresh start.
I believe that with a new QB that DEBOER actually gets to pick, the offense will finally blossom and come to life.
I believe as long as we've got Ryan Williams and Germie Bernard, we'll be fine at WR. We'll be fine at TE and on OL. We've got Akylin Dear coming in. Lotzier Brooks is coming in.
DeBoer recruited really well. He's bringing in his guys. We've also recruited the portal really well.
Defensively, I thought our team did quite well. We have a lot of talent, and I believe as the team grows in this new system we'll be dominant on defense.
I think Kane Wommack did an excellent job all year outside of a couple of games.
We're in good hands. We just need to be rid of the Milroe cancer and we should be good.
It's got nothing to do with DeBoer being a bad coach. It's also not because Saban allowed things to rot.
The simple truth is that Saban and DeBoer are extremely different coaches. One is all about the grind and discipline and defense and grit.
The other is a laid back west coast sort of vibe who needs self-starters who hold themselves accountable. He values discipline and toughness but he needs guys to develop that themselves. He's not as much of a babysitter.
The problem is a lot of the players who were attracted to the Saban Alabama were guys who need and desire hard coaching from a man they considered to be the best. They could take being dog cussed by the GOAT. It's what they signed up for.
In walks DeBoer, and these guys dont know what to do. They don't respect the guy, no one is cursing at them anymore, and the whole vibe shifts from business to casual.
The players on this roster didn't sign up for a casual vibe. They wanted the toughest sonofabitch in the land cussing them out on the practice field.
It makes sense why there's been so much fallout.
That's to say nothing of the schematic shift on offense.
Milroe had become the face of this program, and was the unquestioned leader, but also the worst QB in the country for what DeBoer likes to do on offense.
DeBoer was hired for his offensive expertise, but our offense failed miserably this year, and never developed an identity. Milroe was the worst QB he could've hoped to inherit.
Turning the page:
MILROE HAS TO GO. One way or another, he needs to be gone. The sooner the better. He needs to pack his shite and go so DeBoer can get to work on installing his real offense. This team needs a completely fresh start.
I believe that with a new QB that DEBOER actually gets to pick, the offense will finally blossom and come to life.
I believe as long as we've got Ryan Williams and Germie Bernard, we'll be fine at WR. We'll be fine at TE and on OL. We've got Akylin Dear coming in. Lotzier Brooks is coming in.
DeBoer recruited really well. He's bringing in his guys. We've also recruited the portal really well.
Defensively, I thought our team did quite well. We have a lot of talent, and I believe as the team grows in this new system we'll be dominant on defense.
I think Kane Wommack did an excellent job all year outside of a couple of games.
We're in good hands. We just need to be rid of the Milroe cancer and we should be good.
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Posted on 12/9/24 at 12:03 am to BasedCrimson
Totally agree with all of this.
The program is fine. The OC and DC are good. Some of the players, though… not so much. These kids are making more money than most of us now, and their entire job is to produce something meaningful on the field. A lot of them didn’t.
Seeing the OC scheme up plays that had guys standing in 10 yards of green grass while our houseplant QB stared down on WR was horrifying. The plays were there all year. But a lot of the offensive guys seemed to give up, knowing they’d never get their number called.
The defense is growing. I don’t like ALL of the DC’s choices, but some of that may be due to player limitations.
This was exactly the kind of year I expected, so I’m not shocked or disappointed. Milroe, quite honestly, cost us games. If he can’t do his job, the players don’t get chances. If they don’t get them, they give up.
Looking forward to seeing how this team will be next year with more experience, players that want to be there, and a QB who can read a defense.
The program is fine. The OC and DC are good. Some of the players, though… not so much. These kids are making more money than most of us now, and their entire job is to produce something meaningful on the field. A lot of them didn’t.
Seeing the OC scheme up plays that had guys standing in 10 yards of green grass while our houseplant QB stared down on WR was horrifying. The plays were there all year. But a lot of the offensive guys seemed to give up, knowing they’d never get their number called.
The defense is growing. I don’t like ALL of the DC’s choices, but some of that may be due to player limitations.
This was exactly the kind of year I expected, so I’m not shocked or disappointed. Milroe, quite honestly, cost us games. If he can’t do his job, the players don’t get chances. If they don’t get them, they give up.
Looking forward to seeing how this team will be next year with more experience, players that want to be there, and a QB who can read a defense.
Posted on 12/9/24 at 12:30 am to BasedCrimson
All good points but I think it’s fair to question whether the “laid-back, west coast” philosophy can work at a place like Alabama. I hope it does but there’s reason for doubts.
Posted on 12/9/24 at 12:41 am to CrimsonTider98
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I think it’s fair to question whether the “laid-back, west coast” philosophy can work at a place like Alabama.
Why couldn't it? It seems like half of our players are from the west coast now anyway.
The point is that it's going to take a year or two for everyone - especially the players - to adjust. But starting next year, most of the guys on the roster will have never been coached by Saban. DeBoer will have more control of the team and the culture without being upstaged by Mr. Lank
Posted on 12/9/24 at 1:31 am to BasedCrimson
It’s not entirely accurate to say CKD is recruiting different players than CNS. He’s recruiting from the same pool of players. The problems that were present with the players on the roster will also be present with future recruiting classes. Doesn’t mean CKD can’t succeed but there is reason to be concerned about his style translating.
This post was edited on 12/9/24 at 1:48 am
Posted on 12/9/24 at 4:25 am to BasedCrimson
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The simple truth is that Saban and DeBoer are extremely different coaches. One is all about the grind and discipline and defense and grit.
I dont think its fair to assume DeBoer isnt about discipline or that Saban was running a masterclass of discipline and defense in his last seasons.
Bama was heavily penalized, ran the air raid just to outscore teams because the defense was terrible.
Posted on 12/9/24 at 5:58 am to CrimsonTider98
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It’s not entirely accurate to say CKD is recruiting different players than CNS.
I think there are quite a few players in this class that the previous staff wouldn't have gone after.
Also, the value that the staff places on individual recruits is different - in terms of $$$
But perhaps most importantly, the recruits in this class are committing to the current staff. They're choosing DeBoer. That will help shift the locker room culture as the older guys exit after this year.
This post was edited on 12/9/24 at 5:59 am
Posted on 12/9/24 at 7:01 am to CrimsonTider98
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It’s not entirely accurate to say CKD is recruiting different players than CNS. He’s recruiting from the same pool of players.
Yes, but what we’re looking for from that pool is often entirely different.
The OL targets are entirely different now because they need to be able to pull and move.
The DL candidates are different now because they need to attack gaps rather than fill them.
The WR profile will likely shift some.
I don’t think he was happy with our LBs from a scheme fit either.
Posted on 12/9/24 at 7:23 am to BasedCrimson
Saban seemed to value athleticism over other variables, imo.
Posted on 12/9/24 at 7:27 am to tide06
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The WR profile will likely shift some.
Other than Julio, Saban never seemed to go after big body receivers. DeBoer definitely seems to prefer big body receivers like prime Clemson. He converted Odom to WR immediately when he arrived. Didn’t seem to work out for him, but you can imagine that when he sees someone like Odom, Niblack, or Billingsley he’s not thinking TE.
This post was edited on 12/9/24 at 7:33 am
Posted on 12/9/24 at 7:49 am to Diego Ricardo
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Other than Julio, Saban never seemed to go after big body receivers. DeBoer definitely seems to prefer big body receivers like prime Clemson.
I think Kiffin helped convince him that size was secondary to speed and creating separation.
And particularly in the RPO era I’d take Waddle over George Pickens all day every day.
I actually suspect DeBoer likes having multiple types of weapons. He wants to stretch the field with some guys, be able to throw a fade to create a mismatch against a 5’7 defender with others and hit a seam route to the big WR/TE guys to keep the defense honest as well.
It’s why I was hoping it would work out with Odom, if instead of Cuevas on a go route against a LB you have a 4.5 guy like Odom that’s both a great weapon against a blitz and a way to further stretch a defense to open up the run game.
Posted on 12/9/24 at 7:52 am to tide06
Sunshine pumping starting early this year.
This post was edited on 12/9/24 at 7:54 am
Posted on 12/9/24 at 7:53 am to Alfie Solomons
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Sunshine pumping starting early this year.
Hell yeah we winning the ship
This post was edited on 12/9/24 at 7:55 am
Posted on 12/9/24 at 8:00 am to Alfie Solomons
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Sunshine pumping starting early this year.
You should watch the UW tape from last year.
It’s not sunshine pumping, it’s how the DeBoer/Grubb offense looks with a functional QB.
Posted on 12/9/24 at 8:02 am to tide06
Grubb isn't here
Posted on 12/9/24 at 8:04 am to BasedCrimson
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The situation we have right now in this program is a complete and total mess.
Didnt Saban lose 3 games with a much more talented roster?
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In walks DeBoer, and these guys dont know what to do. They don't respect the guy, no one is cursing at them anymore, and the whole vibe shifts from business to casual.
So the players dont respect Deboer because he doesnt cuss at them? Are you serious with this take?
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The players on this roster didn't sign up for a casual vibe. They wanted the toughest sonofabitch in the land cussing them out on the practice field.
You really think cussing players out is the way to go huh? How about Saban in the last two or three years wasnt even close to the same guy as far as jumping on a players arse?
AND these players could give two shits about getting cussed out, they want to get paid for NIL and go to the NFL, thats why they came to Alabama.
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We just need to be rid of the Milroe cancer and we should be good.
There it is. The Milroe cancer is back again. How big of a badass does it make Milroe that he held the "toughest sonofabitch" hostage last year to be the QB? That is the only explanation how the "toughest sonofabitch" like Saban could ever let a cancer like Milroe be the QB.
Posted on 12/9/24 at 8:06 am to BasedCrimson
Omg... Another blame everything on milroe post by basedcrimson. I'm beginning to think this is actually Ty Simpson posting....
This post was edited on 12/9/24 at 8:08 am
Posted on 12/9/24 at 8:07 am to BasedCrimson
Good analysis, but as I have said a few other times here the issue is that there are a lot more moving parts to our program than W’s and L’s and that has been verified with some of the responses here.
I think with a lot of people in our fan base there’s a mindset that Alabama represents, or more accurately should represent, a set of values and ethics and philosophies and ways of doing things and ways of working and living and, especially, respect for authority that’s out of step with society in general these days, let alone with other football programs.
And I will say it at the risk of massive downvotes, I don’t care because I really believe it’s the truth, some in our fan base are still fighting the Civil War when it comes to people from outside the South, even though Saban was and he turned this more than any coach we’ve had into a national brand.
I think with a lot of people in our fan base there’s a mindset that Alabama represents, or more accurately should represent, a set of values and ethics and philosophies and ways of doing things and ways of working and living and, especially, respect for authority that’s out of step with society in general these days, let alone with other football programs.
And I will say it at the risk of massive downvotes, I don’t care because I really believe it’s the truth, some in our fan base are still fighting the Civil War when it comes to people from outside the South, even though Saban was and he turned this more than any coach we’ve had into a national brand.
This post was edited on 12/9/24 at 8:09 am
Posted on 12/9/24 at 8:12 am to bamabonners
Nah he's CrimsonBuddha's alter after he got banned
Posted on 12/9/24 at 8:15 am to WW
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Grubb isn't here
Who do you think Grubb learned that offense from?
It’s like saying “Kirby isn’t here” talking about Saban.
The system is the same, the only change comes in how and when the plays are called.
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