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Joel Klatt says Bama is in
Posted on 12/4/24 at 11:05 am
Posted on 12/4/24 at 11:05 am
For the ones actually thinking the SMU/CU game holds any weight as to whether Bama is in, have a listen.
He breaks down the SMU game at 21:00.
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Posted on 12/4/24 at 12:22 pm to Lieutenant Dan
Thanks for posting this. Yeah, Klatt has convinced me and has me confident that we are probably in regardless now.
In the case of SMU losing, that Top 25 comparison would loom large: Bama at 3-1 and SMU at 0-2.
I think where the committee has screwed up is having SMU in the Top 10 already. Based off of their very weak schedule, they should probably be around 15th or something, but then they are still rewarded for making the conference championship game by having a chance to win and make the playoffs.
Good listen for anybody out there who hasnt watched it yet!
In the case of SMU losing, that Top 25 comparison would loom large: Bama at 3-1 and SMU at 0-2.
I think where the committee has screwed up is having SMU in the Top 10 already. Based off of their very weak schedule, they should probably be around 15th or something, but then they are still rewarded for making the conference championship game by having a chance to win and make the playoffs.
Good listen for anybody out there who hasnt watched it yet!
Posted on 12/4/24 at 12:31 pm to bodask42
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In the case of SMU losing, that Top 25 comparison would loom large: Bama at 3-1 and SMU at 0-2.
Agreed. They just don't have any quality wins in comparison.
Posted on 12/4/24 at 12:32 pm to Lieutenant Dan
I do feel pretty good about SMU vs Alabama considering what we just saw with Miami. Their losses would be better than Miami's, but their wins/overall SOS is even worse than Miami's.
And like he said, they would have lost to the 2 best teams on their schedule.....teams that aren't even Top 15 teams. With nothing in the win column to even give you a reason to offset it.
And like he said, they would have lost to the 2 best teams on their schedule.....teams that aren't even Top 15 teams. With nothing in the win column to even give you a reason to offset it.
This post was edited on 12/4/24 at 12:34 pm
Posted on 12/4/24 at 12:35 pm to Lieutenant Dan
I agree . . . but I want to agree.
Ha.
Ha.
Posted on 12/4/24 at 12:45 pm to Lieutenant Dan
I want to agree with him, but I’ll add that if SMU was in a FOX conference like the B1G or Big XII, he wouldn’t be making this argument.
Posted on 12/4/24 at 1:15 pm to bodask42
If SMU's SOS was in the ball park of Alabama's SOS then I think a 2-loss SMU has a stronger argument. However, they caught the absolute dregs of ACC pecking order this year. Their best conference opponent was the 5th best team in a very bad conference.
Posted on 12/4/24 at 1:21 pm to bodask42
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Based off of their very weak schedule, they should probably be around 15th or something, but then they are still rewarded for making the conference championship game by having a chance to win and make the playoffs.
SMU has the 75th ranked SOS.
This part is wild, Oklahoma was our worst loss, by far. If you look at the extended rankings and if SMU would have played them, Oklahoma would be one of the toughest teams on their schedule. The only teams ranked higher than OU they've played are #18 BYU (which they lost) #41 Pitt and #28 Louisville. The rest of their schedule is all over the #100 mark. OU is ranked #56.
SMU's schedule is insanely weak.
Posted on 12/4/24 at 1:28 pm to Lieutenant Dan
The really operative thing is that SMU's fan base is probably 1% the size of Alabama's. Their stadium sits 32,000 and the university has 7000 undergrads. This is at the fore of the committee's thinking on these issues.
This post was edited on 12/4/24 at 1:29 pm
Posted on 12/4/24 at 1:57 pm to SummerOfGeorge
Glad to have you back on this train George.
After the chairman’s review of how they made the choice, looking at SMU. It’s clear he opened that door for them to drop. I hope SMU wins personally but I’m not worried either way.
After the chairman’s review of how they made the choice, looking at SMU. It’s clear he opened that door for them to drop. I hope SMU wins personally but I’m not worried either way.
Posted on 12/4/24 at 4:29 pm to CrimsonBoz
It really got me thinking about something. IF SMU played their schedule but wasn't in the ACC, would they be ranked as high or are they ranked that high because they lead the ACC?
I think Bama is in regardless (and this doesn't mean I think we deserve to be in) but I do believe we are the 12 best teams in the country.
I think Bama is in regardless (and this doesn't mean I think we deserve to be in) but I do believe we are the 12 best teams in the country.
Posted on 12/5/24 at 9:42 pm to bamacj1999
The Committee wants Bama in!
Posted on 12/5/24 at 9:54 pm to Lieutenant Dan
ya know i didn't always like klatt, but he has really grown on me over the years. he's even better in this setting than he is in game imo, great at just talking about football.
Posted on 12/5/24 at 10:17 pm to aspiclark
What's funny is how they evaluate Miami and SMU and all that debate, they totally don't even mention Indiana. They have zero top 25 wins with a schedule almost as weak as SMU. They are the outlier in all of this. If just another loss anywhere, and Bama is easily in and the debate would be about Smu, Miami, and Ol Miss
Posted on 12/5/24 at 10:39 pm to 11and18gggchamp
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They have zero top 25 wins with a schedule almost as weak as SMU.
Now do Penn State.
Texas was in big trouble with a loss to A&M had Bama and Ole Miss not lost another game for the same reason.
Imbalanced schedules in oversized conferences are becoming a major problem.
Posted on 12/6/24 at 1:47 am to Lieutenant Dan
I think we are seeing a precedent that I like and hope they formulize: top 15 wins offset a loss.
I would love for them just to come up with an official, simple points based structure as at least one measurement tool. Base points for wins and losses with multipliers based on ranking.
I would love for them just to come up with an official, simple points based structure as at least one measurement tool. Base points for wins and losses with multipliers based on ranking.
Posted on 12/6/24 at 1:49 am to tide06
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Now do Penn State. Texas was in big trouble with a loss to A&M had Bama and Ole Miss not lost another game for the same reason. Imbalanced schedules in oversized conferences are becoming a major problem.
We gotta go to 9 conference games with 3 power conference OOC
Posted on 12/6/24 at 4:42 am to 11and18gggchamp
I really wish the talking heads would point this out and ask that playoff committee chairman what the difference is.
Posted on 12/6/24 at 8:29 am to Lieutenant Dan
Klatt is generally an idiot looking for clicks.
If SMU gets dropped below Alabama if they lose on Saturday, then the playoff format will change very soon. They have stated for a long time that conference championship games wont punish teams, but guess we will find out
If SMU gets dropped below Alabama if they lose on Saturday, then the playoff format will change very soon. They have stated for a long time that conference championship games wont punish teams, but guess we will find out
Posted on 12/6/24 at 8:38 am to UltimaParadox
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SMU gets dropped below Alabama if they lose on Saturday, then the playoff format will change very soon. They have stated for a long time that conference championship games wont punish teams, but guess we will find out
SMU is no one and the ACC aren't driving any changes in anything.
It's absolutely silly to think a team that hasn't beaten a ranked team and lost to a B12 team would not drop more than 3 spots if they lose to another team with 3-losses, two of which came from the SEC.
It's basically comprehension and it's quite sad some of us have been saying this for two weeks now and some are only getting it because a tool like Joel Klatt finally admits it, while others are still embarrassingly denying it like you.
We're in. Period. Doesn't matter what happens Saturday. Enjoy the games.
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