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Everybody just has to readjust themselves mentally and understand every week is a toss up

Posted on 10/13/24 at 7:07 pm
Posted by SummerOfGeorge
Member since Jul 2013
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Posted on 10/13/24 at 7:07 pm
Outside of Mercer, we could win or lose every game left on our schedule. Part of that is we aren't as good as we have been, part of that is the portal and it's effects, part of it is a first year coach and new systems and schemes, and part of it is we have 3 straight games against Top 20 teams and then a road game in Norman and the Iron Bowl. Winning the game is all that matters. Things, both for us and nationally, aren't nearly as consistent as they used to be. Teams are up and down, and you can't watch a team for 2 weeks and then translate that performance to the next. Clock rules ensure shorter games with less possessions, leading to closer games.

I'm certainly not perfect at it just like everyone else after a decade of winning lots of games by 30, but if you look back it isn't like this is a new phenomenon. Yes, losing to Vandy is, but we lost to an A&M team that finished 8-4 in 2021 and beat nobody of note (other than us) all season. We haven't consistently blown out average teams since before COVID.

2023
W 17-3 @ USF (7-6)
W 26-20 @ A&M (7-6)
W 24-21 vs Arkansas (4-8)
W 27-24 @ Auburn (6-6)

2022
W 20-19 @ Texas (8-5)
W 24-20 vs A&M (5-7)
L 32-31 @ LSU (10-4)

2021
W 31-29 @ Florida (6-7)
L 41-38 @ A&M (8-4)
W 20-14 vs LSU (6-7)
W 42-35 vs Arkansas (9-4)
W 24-22 @ Auburn (6-7)


We've been playing games like last weekend against 5-7 loss teams consistently for the last 3 seasons even when Saban was here. This isn't new. At some point the mindset just has to change to being happy to win every week and also realize we need to fix stuff. We had 7 games where we had to score or get a stop in the last 5 minutes to win against teams that lost 6 or 7 games over the last 3 seasons. The only reason it feels new and different now is because it was so rare (which is insane, FYI) for so long.

We looked like arse over large chunks of the last 2 weekends, but we've also shown we can do some good things. Just gotta hope we head into Knoxville and do enough good things to find a way to win the game. And then do it again the next weekend against Mizzou.
This post was edited on 10/13/24 at 7:12 pm
Posted by 14&Counting
Dallas, TX
Member since Jul 2012
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Posted on 10/13/24 at 7:12 pm to
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Just gotta hope we head into Knoxville and do enough good things to find a way to win the game. And then do it again the next weekend against Mizzou.


Going to be a long season
Posted by SummerOfGeorge
Member since Jul 2013
105701 posts
Posted on 10/13/24 at 7:13 pm to
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Going to be a long season


Already has been. We're just another good team now. shite is hard.

Georgia is about as consistent a program as exists and they've already gotten shellshocked against us in a loss and were one first down away from losing to a 6-6 or 5-7 Kentucky team.
This post was edited on 10/13/24 at 7:15 pm
Posted by PuertoRicanBlaze
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Member since Apr 2024
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Posted on 10/13/24 at 7:26 pm to
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2023
W 17-3 @ USF (7-6)
W 26-20 @ A&M (7-6)
W 24-21 vs Arkansas (4-8)
W 27-24 @ Auburn (6-6)

2022
W 20-19 @ Texas (8-5)
W 24-20 vs A&M (5-7)
L 32-31 @ LSU (10-4)

2021
W 31-29 @ Florida (6-7)
L 41-38 @ A&M (8-4)
W 20-14 vs LSU (6-7)
W 42-35 vs Arkansas (9-4)
W 24-22 @ Auburn (6-7)



bUt ThOsE tEaMs ArEnT vAnDy!!!11
This post was edited on 10/13/24 at 7:27 pm
Posted by Syd
Member since Sep 2012
4718 posts
Posted on 10/13/24 at 7:38 pm to
It just feels different this year with the last two games like we are going to lose but all of those games you posted felt like we would pull them out (except maybe the two Auburn road games)

Everything has made it feel that way, new coaches, better teams, portal, Nil, super conferences. Every team you play in the SEC now can beat you, doesn’t matter about record.

Go 2-1 the next three and win the rest we are sitting pretty.

Win the next three the bandwagon will be full.

First up, beat fricking Tennessee.
Posted by SummerOfGeorge
Member since Jul 2013
105701 posts
Posted on 10/13/24 at 7:39 pm to
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Go 2-1 the next three and win the rest we are sitting pretty.

Win the next three the bandwagon will be full.

First up, beat fricking Tennessee.


Next two are huge. Doesn't really matter how we look or how ugly it is, gotta win the next 2 going into the bye and then we get a bit of a reset.

That will not be easy, but it's certainly doable.
Posted by Robot Santa
Member since Oct 2009
46055 posts
Posted on 10/13/24 at 7:59 pm to
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Things, both for us and nationally, aren't nearly as consistent as they used to be. Teams are up and down, and you can't watch a team for 2 weeks and then translate that performance to the next. Clock rules ensure shorter games with less possessions, leading to closer games.



All the aspects of the NFL that create so much parity implanted in a system where there is annual free agency for all players and less than 10% of the teams make the playoff is just a terrible product. I give it 3 years before the playoff expands to 32 teams and 8-4 probably gets you in. Too much parity with a 12 team field and you risk having half the participants be teams with no ratings draw.
Posted by PowHound
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Member since Jul 2014
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Posted on 10/13/24 at 8:05 pm to
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Everybody just has to readjust themselves mentally and understand every week is a toss up


It is amazing how 20 years of programming from the GOAT was flushed the second he retired.

Really ? We should all readjust and understand that the best football program in the country just might lose to Vandy or Carolina any given week ?

I respectfully decline this idea.
Posted by SummerOfGeorge
Member since Jul 2013
105701 posts
Posted on 10/13/24 at 8:15 pm to
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It is amazing how 20 years of programming from the GOAT was flushed the second he retired.


Not sure why, we looked the same the same 3 seasons. This isn't a change in how we are playing, it's a change in how to watch the program and the game. Anybody pretending what we're seeing with penalties, on defense or with some of the immature behavior is some sort of brand be phenomena are whistling past the graveyard.

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We should all readjust and understand that the best football program in the country just might lose to Vandy or Carolina any given week ?


Vandy and South Carolina should not have been toss ups. We played poorly. But Vandy and South Carolina are good enough to make games into toss ups when we play poorly. The next 3 games are against top 20 teams. It's also been shown time and again this season that finding a way to win games where you play like arse is a pretty important factor, and something that we did really well for the last 4 years. Because we played like arse against shitty teams A LOT.

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I respectfully decline this idea.


This is also how you end up relentlessly shitting on a QB who will end his career with some of the best stats in program history, won at least 1 SEC title, multiple All-Conference/American awards and been a great leader for the program. Because it if isn't perfect it's trash and it sucks and it makes us sick to our stomach.


Everybody can do whatever the frick they want, but wanting to fire everyone and declare the DuBose era because we beat a bad team in a close game or, gasp, play poorly for 2 straight weeks sounds like something I'd prefer not do. And acting as if this all of a sudden showed up this season is silliness. Stats are clear - this isn't new behavior from the program. This behavior began in 2021 and was embedded into this programs DNA before DeBoer even stepped on campus. We've been sloppy and up and down for almost 4 seasons now.

The robotic, murderball, every game the same era of Alabama football ended with COVID.

We're 5-1 and ranked in the Top 10. We have everything ahead of us. If we got 8-4, then yea it'll be time for evaluation and some hard talks. We aren't there right now. Football is a long season and teams change - 1,000 examples of that throughout the years.
This post was edited on 10/13/24 at 8:20 pm
Posted by Dubosed
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Member since Nov 2012
7573 posts
Posted on 10/13/24 at 8:19 pm to
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Everybody just has to readjust themselves mentally and understand every week is a toss up


Coach Saban is one of the best coaches in the history of organized sport. One of one in many a way. Glad I got to enjoy it. Now we can watch like all the rest and watch a team shite down its leg and derp it up. It frickin sucks but it just is what it is.
Posted by SummerOfGeorge
Member since Jul 2013
105701 posts
Posted on 10/13/24 at 8:20 pm to
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Coach Saban is one of the best coaches in the history of organized sport. One of one in many a way. Glad I got to enjoy it. Now we can watch like all the rest and watch a team shite down its leg and derp it up. It frickin sucks but it just is what it is.


Much better said than I rambled on and exactly what I was trying to get across.

And even Coach Saban lost his maniacal grip on avoiding shitting our leg and derping around his last few years. Games like 2014 at Arkansas were like the sun standing still. By 2023 they were just another irritating weekend.
This post was edited on 10/13/24 at 8:22 pm
Posted by scottydoesntknow
Member since Nov 2023
10085 posts
Posted on 10/13/24 at 8:50 pm to
Finally a voice of reason on this board
Posted by Robot Santa
Member since Oct 2009
46055 posts
Posted on 10/13/24 at 8:51 pm to
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Games like 2014 at Arkansas were like the sun standing still. By 2023 they were just another irritating weekend.


To me it feels different because the self inflicted wounds the last few years were largely penalties and too much BooB and Golding, but this year organization and time management frick ups have been added to the pile.
Posted by BamaBravesPackers
Member since Nov 2021
7837 posts
Posted on 10/13/24 at 10:52 pm to
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To me it feels different because the self inflicted wounds the last few years were largely penalties and too much BooB and Golding, but this year organization and time management frick ups have been added to the pile.


Guys who played or coached college football have either hinted, or directly pointed out in detail serious issues with the defensive schemes and coaching. Culture and attitude issues began under Saban, but serious coaching issues were still rare.

He had some questionable coordinator hires and letting a Tenn receiver catch 5 TDs in one game was an epic coaching failure, but the attention to detail and a scheme that flat out didn’t work wasn’t the problem.

That said, our offensive scheme is actually improving from last year and trending back towards Sark/Kiffin play calling (still needs tweaks and Milroe to be a better decision maker).
Posted by CrimsonCrusade
Member since Jan 2014
5685 posts
Posted on 10/13/24 at 11:16 pm to
I have been withholding panic because as you note, this has been going on since the last Saban years and because DeBoer's teams have historically played down to mediocre teams and then played at a really high level against good ones.

Now if Bama loses to Tennessee, my cope is destroyed and I start to turn pessimistic.
Posted by dalefla
Central FL
Member since Jul 2024
3238 posts
Posted on 10/14/24 at 6:26 am to
Every teams first string (22) players are going to better than in the past. NIL and the portal have done what they were designed to do. Level the playing field. Successful teams will be those that can develop depth the best.
This post was edited on 10/14/24 at 7:01 am
Posted by labamafan
Prairieville
Member since Jan 2007
26608 posts
Posted on 10/14/24 at 8:17 am to
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It is amazing how 20 years of programming from the GOAT was flushed the second he retired


This is not even close to being accurate. Bama has not been Bama since 2020 and the defense has not been up to Alabama standard since 2017/2018.
Posted by TomRollTideRitter
Member since Aug 2016
13166 posts
Posted on 10/14/24 at 8:33 am to
SoG, I agree with your takeaway, but reject the premise that NIL and the transfer portal has injected a bunch of parity into the sport.

Just last year there was so little parity in conference play, an undefeated “power conference” team didn’t make the playoff. And there were 7 teams undefeated or 1 loss P4 teams after conference championships.

Time will tell, but my opinion is this is more of a one off due to there not being elite QB play rather than a return to the BCS era level of parity. Conference realignment may also give the appearance of more parity just by consolidating the best teams, so they have to play each other (Oregon vs Ohio State).

The low point of CFB parity was probably late 2010s because the best teams Alabama and Clemson also had good NFL QBs - Tua, Hurts, Lawrence, Watson.
Posted by SummerOfGeorge
Member since Jul 2013
105701 posts
Posted on 10/14/24 at 8:44 am to
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but reject the premise that NIL and the transfer portal has injected a bunch of parity into the sport.

Just last year there was so little parity in conference play, an undefeated “power conference” team didn’t make the playoff. And there were 7 teams undefeated or 1 loss P4 teams after conference championships.

Time will tell, but my opinion is this is more of a one off due to there not being elite QB play rather than a return to the BCS era level of parity. Conference realignment may also give the appearance of more parity just by consolidating the best teams, so they have to play each other (Oregon vs Ohio State).


You could absolutely be correct. It may be that we've just fallen down a class into the group that still wins most of their games but has competitive games whenever they don't play well, as well.
Posted by Gideon Swashbuckler
Member since Sep 2019
8834 posts
Posted on 10/14/24 at 7:16 pm to
I believe it comes down to qb play.

BAMA got exceptional qb play for the most part in 3/4 first 4 games. Luckily the one was USF.

The last two he's been subpar. He's turned it over as many times as he's scored.

Tejas has two great qbs.
Oregon's qb played well at home vs OhioSt.
OhioSt's qb played well in that game but made a bone head play to end it, but he didn't get called for OPI.
Miami. The list goes on.


Great qb play is always going to be the key to winning. Not good, Great. When Milroe plays Great BAMA wins.
Period. The defense is good enough. It isn't great, but it's good enough.
This post was edited on 10/14/24 at 7:17 pm
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