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Posted on 5/8/24 at 8:19 am
Posted on 5/8/24 at 8:19 am
"We're not going to overpay for players!"
Four months ago BK made Blake Baker the highest paid asst. coach in the nation at $2.5 million/year. Baker's 2023 defense was ranked in the 30s nationally. Included in that was the surrendering of 49 points to LSU, which BK had a front-row seat to.
Most people would say that you were desperate and OVERPAID to get a DC. So, from my vantage point, it appears BK has a double standard when it comes to how players are treated, compared to coaches.
Four months ago BK made Blake Baker the highest paid asst. coach in the nation at $2.5 million/year. Baker's 2023 defense was ranked in the 30s nationally. Included in that was the surrendering of 49 points to LSU, which BK had a front-row seat to.
Most people would say that you were desperate and OVERPAID to get a DC. So, from my vantage point, it appears BK has a double standard when it comes to how players are treated, compared to coaches.
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Posted on 5/8/24 at 8:23 am to Faurot fodder
BK Translation:
"My coaching staff can make millions, but the most ill give any player is a cringe 360 video of us dancing together"
is LSU broke or something?
"My coaching staff can make millions, but the most ill give any player is a cringe 360 video of us dancing together"
is LSU broke or something?
Posted on 5/8/24 at 8:25 am to Faurot fodder
Paying for a coach is not the same as pre-paying for players (a decent but nothing special one in Damonic Williams case) to come into a program and cause culture issues because the questions start getting asked by the players why does this guy get $1.5M and I got promised nothing. Especially if he ended up a rotational guy at best, then the culture around the program can really get shaky.
What you said is entirely irrelevant to promising players large amounts of money before they ever step foot on campus.
What you said is entirely irrelevant to promising players large amounts of money before they ever step foot on campus.
This post was edited on 5/8/24 at 8:27 am
Posted on 5/8/24 at 8:30 am to thunderbird1100
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Especially if he ended up a rotational guy at best, then the culture around the program can really get shaky.
What you said is entirely irrelevant to promising players large amounts of money before they ever step foot on campus.
This whole ordeal is what will separate the good coaches from the great coaches in this era. Handling payroll and team culture. Someone with an NFL background probably has a head start. If you can't keep role players happy, your depth will suffer. When depth suffers, you lose in the SEC.
Posted on 5/8/24 at 8:35 am to Faurot fodder
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from my vantage point, it appears BK has a double standard
Posted on 5/8/24 at 8:39 am to Faurot fodder
I am stealing this post from CottonWasKing on the Tiger Rant because it explains the dynamics of BK's opinion. Its not that we won't pay players, we won't pay them more than they are worth because of the precedent it might set:
Ok so let’s say we pay Damonic Williams 1.5 for average defensive line play for one season.
That’s more than either of our Offensive Coordinators make btw but let’s say we do it.
We can afford an extra 1.5 this year no problem.
But what happens next year? Williams is gone but Whit Weeks is still here. All of those freshman DBs are still here. Nuss is still here. That whole incoming 2025 recruiting class is here.
Do you honestly think they won’t be in BK’s office saying “well you paid him that and I’m better than him so where’s my money?”
What do you do when half your starters walk into the portal because you can’t afford to pay them what you paid a very average defensive tackle?
Be careful of the precedents you set.
Ok so let’s say we pay Damonic Williams 1.5 for average defensive line play for one season.
That’s more than either of our Offensive Coordinators make btw but let’s say we do it.
We can afford an extra 1.5 this year no problem.
But what happens next year? Williams is gone but Whit Weeks is still here. All of those freshman DBs are still here. Nuss is still here. That whole incoming 2025 recruiting class is here.
Do you honestly think they won’t be in BK’s office saying “well you paid him that and I’m better than him so where’s my money?”
What do you do when half your starters walk into the portal because you can’t afford to pay them what you paid a very average defensive tackle?
Be careful of the precedents you set.
Posted on 5/8/24 at 8:45 am to Lou2theZou
You're a moron. He basically said he will pay just not overpay. We are not going to turn into the Aggies when Jimbo was there bc they got lots of guys that went to the highest bidder. They didn't do shite. Paying 1.5 million for a spring portal DT is a big no thank you for me. Good move by LSU in my opinion
Posted on 5/8/24 at 8:50 am to Bert Macklin FBI
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Do you honestly think they won’t be in BK’s office saying “well you paid him that and I’m better than him so where’s my money?”
What if they say the following though:
“Oklahoma thought he was worth 1.5 and I am better than him. Where’s my money? Should I go there?”
It’s not like there is some dirty secret that only this forum knows about. All the players know what each other is getting even at other schools.
And about the locker room cancer that has been mentioned before overpaying; what about after some games where the d dense gets slashed up? You think the players would care about a guy that gets overpaid or losing?
If Harold Perkins gets tired of being trucked by game six, you think he’s going to say, “oh well, at least we didn’t over pay for d Williams”.
This post was edited on 5/8/24 at 8:53 am
Posted on 5/8/24 at 8:52 am to Bert Macklin FBI
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Be careful of the precedents you set.
Precedents, like overpaying your DC? BK's desperation to fix y'alls defense set this in motion. If I were an LSU fan I'd be curious as to why it's acceptable to overpay coaches, but not players.
Posted on 5/8/24 at 8:53 am to dstone12
I doubt Damonic Williams got $1.5 million. Doubt that very seriously.
Posted on 5/8/24 at 8:55 am to Faurot fodder
Most people would say that you were desperate and OVERPAID to get a DC. So, from my vantage point, it appears BK has a double standard when it comes to how players are treated, compared to coaches.
From my perspective... Win something... until then, go sit on some rocks.
Posted on 5/8/24 at 8:56 am to dstone12
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“Oklahoma thought he was worth 1.5 and I am better than him. Where’s my money? Should I go there?”
Thats always a risk but if you recruited players that have priorities above the money (not that money doesn't matter at all) AND you are fair to your roster, meaning the best players make the most and it trickles down from there. Then you shouldn't run in to that issue as much.
Its like having a wife while making $80k a year. If all she cares about is how much you make then she might look at the guy making $200k a year and say I'd rather get divorced and marry him. BUT if you have a wife that holds the same values as you and you don't cheat on her (over pay a rent a player) then your $80k will be enough for her.
Maybe not a perfect analogy but the point is that its about setting the precedent on how money will be handled/distributed on your team based on performance AND recruiting players whose goals are to win a NC and go to the NFL more than chase the cash in college.
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If Harold Perkins gets tired of being trucked by game six, you think he’s going to say, “oh well, at least we didn’t over pay for d Williams”.
Perkins did stay all 3 years so this is a dumb hypothetical. The money aspect isn't the only part of roster retention but over paying average players is definitely a recipe for disaster.
This post was edited on 5/8/24 at 9:00 am
Posted on 5/8/24 at 8:58 am to Faurot fodder
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Precedents, like overpaying your DC?
A coaching pool of money and a player pool of money are not the same. No player is looking at the DC and complaining that they aren't getting paid the same amount. Hell the school pays the DC directly while the player has to get paid by outside sources. This is a dumb hill you are trying to die on.
Posted on 5/8/24 at 8:58 am to Faurot fodder
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Posted on 5/8/24 at 9:04 am to paperwasp
His delivery is so organic.
Posted on 5/8/24 at 9:06 am to Bert Macklin FBI
Money is money baw. I'm not talking about locker room concerns. I'm talking $$$, and you guys obviously have it for coaches, so why not players? I'm sure these "pools" of money are pretty easy to transfer and move around.
This post was edited on 5/8/24 at 9:10 am
Posted on 5/8/24 at 9:07 am to Faurot fodder
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Missouri
Posted on 5/8/24 at 9:11 am to Faurot fodder
Mizzou trying to force a rivalry after their best team in the last decade got beat at home with a game sealing pic 6 by the worst defense in lsu history 
THEN got their coaches stolen.
Tough times for those fake tigers over there
THEN got their coaches stolen. Tough times for those fake tigers over there
Posted on 5/8/24 at 9:12 am to Lou2theZou
Lsu isn't broke....they have money but don't throw it around like their fellow sec counterparts
Posted on 5/8/24 at 9:12 am to Faurot fodder
Wow. What the hell is Missouri's infatuation with LSU? You guys are covering LSU more than LSU fans.
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