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An Attempt at an Objective and Fair Miller Stance
Posted on 2/22/23 at 3:12 pm
Posted on 2/22/23 at 3:12 pm
Set aside whether he should be charged as an accessory. Not our call and who knows the challenges the DA thought were present.
In my view, the text message is key. He was sent a text that a friend was obviously in some sort of conflict at 1AM and said friend wanted his gun. To me there is no way to circumvent the conclusion that Miller was at minimum wildly irresponsible as a result. And surely there is basis for action on that front, where perhaps but for his recklessness that woman isn't dead. What that action looks like - who knows. I'm just trying to identify a baseline most can agree with.
Yesterday there was discussion about whether he was blindly led into it (as in, "hey man I left my gun in your car can you get it back to me") and we now know that wasn't the case. Nor is there any plausible argument for a self-defense motive that negates the recklessness - any reasonable person tells a friend to leave or call the cops. Bringing someone a gun so they can potentially engage in a voluntarily armed confrontation on the street - whether the friend felt threatened or not - isn't any better morally.
In my view, the text message is key. He was sent a text that a friend was obviously in some sort of conflict at 1AM and said friend wanted his gun. To me there is no way to circumvent the conclusion that Miller was at minimum wildly irresponsible as a result. And surely there is basis for action on that front, where perhaps but for his recklessness that woman isn't dead. What that action looks like - who knows. I'm just trying to identify a baseline most can agree with.
Yesterday there was discussion about whether he was blindly led into it (as in, "hey man I left my gun in your car can you get it back to me") and we now know that wasn't the case. Nor is there any plausible argument for a self-defense motive that negates the recklessness - any reasonable person tells a friend to leave or call the cops. Bringing someone a gun so they can potentially engage in a voluntarily armed confrontation on the street - whether the friend felt threatened or not - isn't any better morally.
Posted on 2/22/23 at 3:14 pm to Pettifogger
The bottom line is why was Brandon Miller not suspended after knowing his teammate wanted his gun for some type of escalation. Brandon Miller didn't know whether or not it was a self defense or murder issue, but Brandon still used poor judgement to bring his teammate the gun. Since it ended up with a mom murdered then Brandon should be punished for his poor actions that night which would be removed from the school.
It's unfortunate that Brandon Miller got caught up in this, but he made the poor choice to associate himself with low lifes off the court. Brandon created his own problem and he will probably settle with the girl's family out of court to avoid a jury and additional information of being released.
It's unfortunate that Brandon Miller got caught up in this, but he made the poor choice to associate himself with low lifes off the court. Brandon created his own problem and he will probably settle with the girl's family out of court to avoid a jury and additional information of being released.
Posted on 2/22/23 at 3:15 pm to Pettifogger
Given the time, text, and location isn’t unreasonable to grant zero culpability in this.
Posted on 2/22/23 at 3:15 pm to Pettifogger
He knew there was conflict and brought a gun. That's more than enough to indict. Alabama DA just doesn't want to. That's all there is to it.
A fair DA would've sent this to a grand jury. That's what we've done in Knoxville with serious charges.
A fair DA would've sent this to a grand jury. That's what we've done in Knoxville with serious charges.
Posted on 2/22/23 at 3:16 pm to Pettifogger
An entirely reasonable take. I hope Chicken can offer some sort of poster relocation/protection for you and your family.
Posted on 2/22/23 at 3:16 pm to Pettifogger
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In my view, the text message is key. He was sent a text that a friend was obviously in some sort of conflict at 1AM and said friend wanted his gun. To me there is no way to circumvent the conclusion that Miller was at minimum wildly irresponsible as a result. And surely there is basis for action on that front, where perhaps but for his recklessness that woman isn't dead. What that action looks like - who knows. I'm just trying to identify a baseline most can agree with.
Even if he didn't think they were going to murder someone but they were just going to intimidate someone with a gun, I would still at least suspend him for a decent period of games. That is horrible decision making
Posted on 2/22/23 at 3:17 pm to Pettifogger
If the text circulating today is true, there is absolutely zero reason for anyone to support the actions of BM. ZERO.
Maybe he skates legally.
But he supplied a weapon to someone that sent a text saying bring me my gun because I am pissed at someone(paraphrasing).
Frankly, I am astonished at how Bama fans are defending him. It is disgusting.
Maybe he skates legally.
But he supplied a weapon to someone that sent a text saying bring me my gun because I am pissed at someone(paraphrasing).
Frankly, I am astonished at how Bama fans are defending him. It is disgusting.
Posted on 2/22/23 at 3:20 pm to Pettifogger
More than enough there to charge and indict. As mentioned, Tuscaloosa DA doesn't want to because he's a basketball star and they want the banners.
He knew there was conflict. He provided a loaded gun to the soon-to-be murderer on demand. And his car helped block the victim in to prevent escape.
Did he know someone was about to get shot when he provided the loaded gun?
Did he know he was blocking the victim with his car, preventing escape and further helping commit the murder?
I don't know the answer to those questions.
But they're damn sure worthy of sending to a jury.
The total lack of action on the university and the prosecutors' parts is disgusting.
He knew there was conflict. He provided a loaded gun to the soon-to-be murderer on demand. And his car helped block the victim in to prevent escape.
Did he know someone was about to get shot when he provided the loaded gun?
Did he know he was blocking the victim with his car, preventing escape and further helping commit the murder?
I don't know the answer to those questions.
But they're damn sure worthy of sending to a jury.
The total lack of action on the university and the prosecutors' parts is disgusting.
Posted on 2/22/23 at 4:34 pm to Pettifogger
Pretty much agree entirely with your take.
No disagreement, but honestly, I doubt 18 yo me would have done so. College kids do dumb shite. Sadly this dumb shite resulted in a you g lady’s death.
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Any reasonable person tells a friend to leave or call the cops
No disagreement, but honestly, I doubt 18 yo me would have done so. College kids do dumb shite. Sadly this dumb shite resulted in a you g lady’s death.
Posted on 2/22/23 at 4:48 pm to Pettifogger
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Yesterday there was discussion about whether he was blindly led into it (as in, "hey man I left my gun in your car can you get it back to me") and we now know that wasn't the case. Nor is there any plausible argument for a self-defense motive that negates the recklessness - any reasonable person tells a friend to leave or call the cops. Bringing someone a gun so they can potentially engage in a voluntarily armed confrontation on the street - whether the friend felt threatened or not - isn't any better morally.
Now we know that the Jeep pulled up after he did, so he'd have no reason to believe there was anything going on with the Jeep at all, and according to his lawyer he didn't even know there was a gun left in his car.
Posted on 2/22/23 at 5:05 pm to Pettifogger
quote:That seems like material aid to a murder. . .at least.
In my view, the text message is key. He was sent a text that a friend was obviously in some sort of conflict at 1AM and said friend wanted his gun. To me there is no way to circumvent the conclusion that Miller was at minimum wildly irresponsible as a result.
That is where I stand.
If Miller was not the star of the Bama squad, he would likely be in jail right now.
Posted on 2/22/23 at 5:08 pm to Pettifogger
I went to school with a guy that actually lended a friend, his shot gun.. the friend went out and murdered someone and my old classmate got 10 years in federal prison… now granted my friend wasn’t a good basketball player, but facts are facts. He is an accessory. That’s the bottom line. I guarantee you he knew exactly what he was doing and why.
Posted on 2/22/23 at 5:09 pm to Pettifogger
The media is absolutely crucifying Miller on TV all freaking day. Even with the DA saying he isn’t getting charged and did no wrong. And btw they could give two shits about someone being murdered all they care about is getting views. It’s disgusting.
Posted on 2/22/23 at 5:34 pm to Pettifogger
It’s crazy that he’s going to keep playing. If I was Brandon Miller’s parent, I would want him out of the public eye while this is sorted out. Playing isn’t helping him in any way.
Posted on 2/22/23 at 5:49 pm to Pettifogger
Wouldn't there be some surveillance or dashcam videos that shed light on this whole thing, like how exactly was Miller's car blocking anybody's exit?
There should also be a timeline. When did the text come in? How long does it take to get from Miller's place to the murder scene?
To me, it's criminal that the DA is saying "Move along here, nothing to see." Somebody lost their life. If it was Nate Oats' daughter, wouldn't he at least want a grand jury to investigate what happened?
This is Alabama sleaze at its sleaziness, from the top of the university to the sleazeball AD to the head coach.
Why was he even included in the meeting that determined whether Miller should be allowed to play? Of course, Oats is going to cover everything up.
Oats is trying to avoid becoming the next Dave Bliss.
But guess what, Oats? You're a lot closer to that today than you were before that girl was killed.
There should also be a timeline. When did the text come in? How long does it take to get from Miller's place to the murder scene?
To me, it's criminal that the DA is saying "Move along here, nothing to see." Somebody lost their life. If it was Nate Oats' daughter, wouldn't he at least want a grand jury to investigate what happened?
This is Alabama sleaze at its sleaziness, from the top of the university to the sleazeball AD to the head coach.
Why was he even included in the meeting that determined whether Miller should be allowed to play? Of course, Oats is going to cover everything up.
Oats is trying to avoid becoming the next Dave Bliss.
But guess what, Oats? You're a lot closer to that today than you were before that girl was killed.
Posted on 2/22/23 at 7:16 pm to Pettifogger
He gave the dude a gun. Just plain dumb
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