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The NCAA lost in the highest court in the land

Posted on 12/6/22 at 10:14 pm
Posted by Toneski
Member since Jan 2013
355 posts
Posted on 12/6/22 at 10:14 pm
Whine all you want about the portal and NIL but it was never fair or even logical that the NCAA could require a student athlete to sit out a year if he or she transferred. What was the reason for such a rule? It certainly wasn’t in the best interest of the athlete…..it’s purpose of course was because it was in the best interest of the schools and coaches. How was it ever fair a coach could prevent a student athlete from transferring to certain schools (ex: a rival school)….this is a free country and the fact that was actually allowed to happen is nuts.

It was also never fair that a scholarship athlete would be prevented from earning whatever the market might pay them, while every other student, even those on academic scholarships, could earn unlimited amounts of money.

In last year’s Supreme Court case, Seth Waxman, NCAA lead attorney, argued that the NCAA’s business model is based on athletes being amateurs and the NCAA should get to decide on what compensation is considered “amateur or professional”. What Waxman essentially argued is that student athletes must be prevented from the same rights and opportunities as regular students, otherwise the NCAA’s business model wouldn’t work.

The Supreme Court, as we know, ruled against the NCAA. Justice Kavanaugh had some stinging comments:

"Nowhere else in America can businesses get away with agreeing not to pay their workers a fair market rate on the theory that their product is defined by not paying their workers a fair market rate," he wrote. "And under ordinary principles of antitrust law, it is not evident why college sports should be any different."

The NCAA has “built a massive money-raising enterprise on the backs of student-athletes who are not fairly compensated.”

“all of the restaurants in a region cannot come together to cut cooks’ wages on the theory that ‘customers prefer’ to eat food from low-paid cooks. ... Hospitals cannot agree to cap nurses’ income in order to create a ‘purer’ form of helping the sick. ... Price-fixing labor is price-fixing labor.” Kavanaugh adds that “it is not clear how the NCAA can legally defend its remaining compensation rules,” and concludes thusly: “The NCAA is not above the law.”
Posted by thelawnwranglers
Member since Sep 2007
38862 posts
Posted on 12/6/22 at 10:17 pm to
Cliffs
Posted by Errerrerrwere
Member since Aug 2015
38450 posts
Posted on 12/6/22 at 10:18 pm to
Kavenbaw made amateur AA athletes rich before they ever went pro.

Bad bad justice Kavenaugh is a bad man!
Posted by TutHillTiger
Mississippi Alabama
Member since Sep 2010
43700 posts
Posted on 12/6/22 at 10:19 pm to
And they did nothing in preparation or really after the ruling and really need to be eliminated at this point and replaced with super conference
Posted by ForeverEllisHugh
Baton Rouge
Member since Aug 2016
14883 posts
Posted on 12/7/22 at 12:50 am to
Government ruins everything it touches - this was gross encroachment. CFB was just fine how it used to be with no NIL or immediate transfers.

These kids are just entitled and spoiled.
Posted by boudinman
Member since Nov 2019
5143 posts
Posted on 12/7/22 at 1:44 am to
Then stop allowing coaches under contract with one school from taking another job then. Force them to HONOR their signed contracts.
Posted by UncleFestersLegs
Member since Nov 2010
10999 posts
Posted on 12/7/22 at 3:19 am to
The problem is the absolute free agency every year. If college football is the same as professional sports now, you have players under contract and they can't just switch teams everytime they feel like it.
This post was edited on 12/7/22 at 3:20 am
Posted by ForeverEllisHugh
Baton Rouge
Member since Aug 2016
14883 posts
Posted on 12/7/22 at 3:48 am to
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Then stop allowing coaches under contract with one school from taking another job then. Force them to HONOR their signed contracts.


I’m absolutely for stipulations regarding lateral moves within a conference.
Posted by RD Dawg
Atlanta
Member since Sep 2012
27305 posts
Posted on 12/7/22 at 4:14 am to
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Then stop allowing coaches under contract with one school from taking another job then. Force them to HONOR their signed contracts


Do you wanna "force" schools to keep coaches they want to fire before their contract ends?
Posted by pankReb
Defending National Champs Fan
Member since Mar 2009
64805 posts
Posted on 12/7/22 at 4:21 am to
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CFB was just fine how it used to be with no NIL or immediate transfers.

These kids are just entitled and spoiled.








CFB fans are just entitled and spoiled.
This post was edited on 12/7/22 at 4:23 am
Posted by Hellmet
Member since Nov 2015
520 posts
Posted on 12/7/22 at 4:47 am to
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…snip…It was also never fair that a scholarship athlete would be prevented from earning whatever the market might pay them….snip…


I don’t disagree with what you said accept for 1 thing, these are no longer student athletes, they are athletes. If we are going to blow up the entire system then we need to disconnect the teams from the universities and treat them as such, a semi-pro league. It’s time to stop this farce that they are even remotely on the same level as other students in the schools.

Most schools today drastically lower their admission requirements for athletes, they have created classes that are so basic that it’s impossible not to get an A. You have athletes reading at a 7th grade level pretending to be students, it’s just insulting to other students who are killing themselves trying to get a real degree.

If you think about it, how shitty is it to be a student and watch an athlete at your school get paid millions while basically not going to class, has all the tutoring resources handed to them and basically a free degree handed to them while you are struggling to pay tuition, pay rent and find food. They get the same degree from the same school just because they can run and jump, it’s kind of disgusting.
This post was edited on 12/7/22 at 4:49 am
Posted by luvthablues
Alabama
Member since Feb 2016
180 posts
Posted on 12/7/22 at 5:05 am to
Just another reason to stop watching college football and basketball. I left them several years ago... haven't watched a game since!! CFB is now NFL 2.... why even require them to enroll in school if they are employees????? College sports are now a farce... piss poor coaching, piss poor officiating, spoiled "I don't give a damn mercenary players jumping from one team to another".
Posted by Pvt Hudson
Member since Jan 2013
3597 posts
Posted on 12/7/22 at 5:14 am to
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Most schools today drastically lower their admission requirements for athletes


This is an underrated point. If the college athlete wants to be treated like every other college student in terms of earning money while in pursuit of a degree, he should have to meet the academic standards of every other student at that school.

Stop acting like a kid is a “student” at your school for any reason other than he’s good at throwing another kid at another school on the ground.

Special concessions are made to give these “student athletes” an opportunity to earn an academic degree that they otherwise wouldn’t qualify for. There were conditions of that opportunity. Now, CFB is just an NFL alternative without the contractual obligation of the employee.
Posted by Tridentds
Sugar Land
Member since Aug 2011
20546 posts
Posted on 12/7/22 at 5:40 am to
The NCAA ended up in this situation because they couldn't make a decision or get out of their own way.

They made going to court inevitable through their own ineptitude. They were never going to win in court... does not matter if NIL, transfers, etc... Was avoidable at one point but now they will live in court and lose every time.

NCAA time has passed because they just suck at everything.
Posted by Oilfieldbiology
Member since Nov 2016
37619 posts
Posted on 12/7/22 at 5:52 am to
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CFB fans are just entitled and spoiled.


That particular poster is a huge progressive supporter of bigger government and more central control. His comment is mocking those that believe the government significantly worsens all sectors and industries it tries to control (hence the ruins everything it touches).

Ironically in this case, the government removed and struck down regulations making the market more free and fair. The opposite of central control.

So fans like it? No, but it is the right thing to do. Nowhere else in college is a student prohibited from making endorsement or NIL money. Nowhere else in college is a student prohibited from transferring to another university that offers him a scholarship.

If fans want to limit free agency, make scholarships multi year contract offers that bind a student to the school for multiple years and not one year renewable contracts.

As far as reigning in NIL spending and enticements, I’m not sure you ever can.
Posted by pankReb
Defending National Champs Fan
Member since Mar 2009
64805 posts
Posted on 12/7/22 at 6:31 am to
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Just another reason to stop watching college football and basketball. I left them several years ago... haven't watched a game since!!


Then why in the hell are you here?
Posted by pankReb
Defending National Champs Fan
Member since Mar 2009
64805 posts
Posted on 12/7/22 at 6:33 am to
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No, but it is the right thing to do. Nowhere else in college is a student prohibited from making endorsement or NIL money. Nowhere else in college is a student prohibited from transferring to another university that offers him a scholarship.


Absolutely this.
Posted by meansonny
ATL
Member since Sep 2012
25895 posts
Posted on 12/7/22 at 6:41 am to
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Nowhere else in college is a student prohibited from transferring to another university that offers him a scholarship.


There never has been a limit on transfers.
A student can transfer, take a scholarship, and take classes right away so long as the university is under the 85 cap.

The restriction is immediate playing time. If I am a regular student at UGA and transfer to Georgia Tech, why should a regular student feel any privilege to be on the tech football team playing on Saturdays?
It is an eligibility requirement that is no different than a GPA requirement or years from high school requirement (neither of which are oppressed against the regular student body in the same fashion).
Posted by meansonny
ATL
Member since Sep 2012
25895 posts
Posted on 12/7/22 at 6:43 am to
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If fans want to limit free agency, make scholarships multi year contract offers that bind a student to the school for multiple years and not one year renewable contracts.


That is an indentured servitude and equally as bad as slavery.

It is a simple solution.
1 year redshirt for non-grad transfers.
No one is preventing the NIL bag.
No one is preventing leaving a bad situation.
No one is taking away a scholarship.
Posted by Shunface
Lafayette County Detention Center
Member since Jan 2013
4594 posts
Posted on 12/7/22 at 6:49 am to
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These kids are just entitled and spoiled.


Same coin different side. You’re an entitled and spoiled fan thinking that NIL and transfers ruined college football.
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