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re: The NCAA lost in the highest court in the land
Posted on 12/7/22 at 10:04 am to meansonny
Posted on 12/7/22 at 10:04 am to meansonny
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That is an indentured servitude and equally as bad as slavery.
Except for the fact that they can quit at any time for any reason. So nothing remotely like indentured servitude or slavery.
Posted on 12/7/22 at 10:27 am to shinerfan
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Except for the fact that they can quit at any time for any reason. So nothing remotely like indentured servitude or slavery.
Then what is the purpose of the 3 year contract if they can just quit and leave for another school?
Maybe I confused what was meant.
Posted on 12/7/22 at 10:36 am to meansonny
A better analogy that nobody brings up is booze
Prohibition eliminated it and crime benefitted
Booze to children was allowed in early America
2 extremes that do not work. Kids (and these are still kids we are dealing with) must have something in place to protect them. One of the things the NCAA was doing when first chartered.
The question (using booze) is where you are "adult" enough to handle the booze
Now states range from 18 to 21 and that has become the accepted law for booze. With high school and college there are to many "remoras" cloning to the income stream which means more than likely, bad decisions will be made before good ones are.
NCAA had 20 to 40 years to add arrows to their quiver for student athletes but they just fattened their executive salaries and perks and put their head in the sand.
Prohibition eliminated it and crime benefitted
Booze to children was allowed in early America
2 extremes that do not work. Kids (and these are still kids we are dealing with) must have something in place to protect them. One of the things the NCAA was doing when first chartered.
The question (using booze) is where you are "adult" enough to handle the booze
Now states range from 18 to 21 and that has become the accepted law for booze. With high school and college there are to many "remoras" cloning to the income stream which means more than likely, bad decisions will be made before good ones are.
NCAA had 20 to 40 years to add arrows to their quiver for student athletes but they just fattened their executive salaries and perks and put their head in the sand.
Posted on 12/7/22 at 10:57 am to UncleFestersLegs
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The problem is the absolute free agency every year. If college football is the same as professional sports now, you have players under contract and they can't just switch teams everytime they feel like it.
NCAA's fault. They could have gotten out ahead of this issue by giving in a little to the student athletes but they decided to dig their feet in on pretty much every point. They only gave in when they were forced to. So instead of being proactive creating a framework to give these guys some of what they were asking for while the NCAA was still in a relative position of power, the NCAA waited until they got sued and were in no position to regulate shite.
Posted on 12/7/22 at 11:03 am to Toneski
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Whine all you want about the portal and NIL but it was never fair
Life isn't fair. No one has to play sports.
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It certainly wasn’t in the best interest of the athlete
It depends on how you look at it. Should a person be held accountable for their decision to go to a certain school? The ability to quit when things don't go your way without any consequences is worse. I expect nothing less from this generation.
Posted on 12/7/22 at 11:09 am to Cheese Grits
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NCAA had 20 to 40 years to add arrows to their quiver for student athletes but they just fattened their executive salaries and perks and put their head in the sand.
You are confused, man.
The NCAA doesn't fatten their wallets on college football. Basketball, yes.
But those numbers pale in comparison to what the conferences/universities bring in.
If you are making the "fat cat" argument, you are looking the wrong direction.
Posted on 12/7/22 at 12:50 pm to meansonny
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The athletes need to maintain a 2.5 GPA and can only be so many years removed from high school. Adding a "redshirt year" requirement for non-grad transfers is no different than a 2.5 GPA requirement.
What do you think the GPA requirements are for scholarships and enrollment in certain colleges inside of a university?
This post was edited on 12/7/22 at 12:50 pm
Posted on 12/7/22 at 12:51 pm to BayouBlitz
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Wtf does this have to do with anything? JFC.
His entire post was to mock individuals that want less government oversight and over reach by claiming the government ruined something we all loved by removing regulations.
Posted on 12/7/22 at 12:53 pm to Cheese Grits
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Kids (and these are still kids we are dealing with)
The overwhelming majority are over 18, meaning they are legal adults capable of exercising all of their rights.
I don’t disagree with presidents and AD’s fattening their wallets, but I disagree with the booze analogy.
Posted on 12/7/22 at 2:44 pm to meansonny
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You are confused, man
No
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The NCAA doesn't fatten their wallets on college football
in the 50's, 60's and 70's they did till the CFA formed and SCOTUS ruled
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Basketball, yes.
The Final Four is 1.1 Billion a year (yes Billion with a B) to NCAA's income
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If you are making the "fat cat" argument, you are looking the wrong direction.
Still the correct argument. They did the "fat cat" thing till they lost it. Instead of learning from this error they have continued to make the same mistake with basketball.
In football the NCAA has just been replaced by the BCS / CFP which is currently a LLC (closely held private for profit?)
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The BCS bowls had been accused of promoting the BCS system because they and their executive officers greatly benefited financially from the system. Bowl executives, such as John Junker of the Fiesta Bowl, were often paid unusually high salaries for employees of non-profit organizations. To promote support for their bowls and the BCS system, these highly paid executives allegedly gave lavish gifts to politicians, collegiate sports executives, and university athletic directors.
In response, a pro-playoff organization, called Playoff PAC, in September 2010 filed a complaint with the Internal Revenue Service. The complaint alleged that the top BCS bowls, with the exception of the Rose Bowl, routinely abused favorable tax status by using charitable donations to give gifts and compensation to college athletic officials. In one example detailed in the complaint, the Orange Bowl treated its executive staff and invited college athletic directors to a four-day Royal Caribbean cruise in which no business meetings were held.
New Boss, same as the Old Boss
If a private company now controls access to all the games ...
a) It is a monopoly
b) It controls the seating (and can sell to corporations before schools)
c) it controls the revenue streams, not the schools
d) it could care lees about actual fans and focuses more on revenue
e) all of the above and then some.
Posted on 12/7/22 at 6:44 pm to meansonny
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That is an indentured servitude and equally as bad as slavery
You fricking pussy
Posted on 12/7/22 at 6:50 pm to Toneski
One step away from contracts and a draft.
Posted on 12/7/22 at 6:55 pm to Oilfieldbiology
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The overwhelming majority are over 18, meaning they are legal adults capable of exercising all of their rights.
There could be 12 year olds with more maturity than some 30 year olds, but in reality being 18 you have a lot less life knowledge than when you are say, 23 and over. Lots more kids used up and cast off by 25 in sports and entertainment that the tiny minority that make it. At least a valid college degree offers a safety net and has no value to the clingers looking for the free ride.
This post was edited on 12/7/22 at 7:07 pm
Posted on 12/7/22 at 7:01 pm to Toneski
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Whine all you want about the portal and NIL but it was never fair or even logical that the NCAA could require a student athlete to sit out a year if he or she transferred. What was the reason for such a rule? It certainly wasn’t in the best interest of the athlete…..it’s purpose of course was because it was in the best interest of the schools and coaches. How was it ever fair a coach could prevent a student athlete from transferring to certain schools (ex: a rival school)….this is a free country and the fact that was actually allowed to happen is nuts.
It was also never fair that a scholarship athlete would be prevented from earning whatever the market might pay them, while every other student, even those on academic scholarships, could earn unlimited amounts of money.
The SCOTUS did not rule on the transfer portal, nor did it rule on requiring an athlete to sit, and it did not even rule on NIL. The only ruling to come out of was telling the NCAA they could not limit education related expenses.
Posted on 12/7/22 at 7:02 pm to Toneski
What does this have to do with the portal?
NVM. Should have read the thread which already pointed out the OP's ignorance.
NVM. Should have read the thread which already pointed out the OP's ignorance.
This post was edited on 12/7/22 at 7:04 pm
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