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Posted on 12/7/22 at 7:56 am to Loganville Vols
The problem with the NCAA is that it has to treat all of the sports equally because a scholarship is a scholarship. Having to treat non-revenue making sports the same as football is where this all really gets out of hand. Football is $100 million profit generating entity for the school. Other sport cost millions of dollars to sponsor. That is the issue.
Posted on 12/7/22 at 7:58 am to InkStainedWretch
Congress should have more important things to do than worry about college sports.
Posted on 12/7/22 at 8:00 am to Cheese Grits
People want freedom right up until they don't like an outcome, and then they want the government to impose their desired outcome.
Posted on 12/7/22 at 8:10 am to JKChesterton
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Bob Dole former Kansas Senator type Conservative
Too bad he never was POTUS, he was old school moderate Republican and more fiscally conservative than Regan, Bush jr, and Trump.
Regan was a puppet to the Ananbergs and a family member was high up in his staff. Ultra conservative Republican who now in conversation admits many of the Regan policies were bad for America but greatly enriched and consolidated power in fewer hands. Folks need to view politics as less "us vs them" and more work in harmony so the "distractions" of the opposition don't allow BOTH sides to pick our wallets clean.
We need another Ike but I do not see that happening. The USA is best when both moderate Republicans and moderate Democrats actually work together for the people. We have gone too far down the rabbit hole of blaming the other side for all our ills while not actually setting policy to help the actual citizens.
Look at the last election cycles and in a country with 350M people these should not be our choices
Trump vs Biden - both are past their prime
Trump vs Hillary - both were horrible choices
Romney vs Obama - both from ultra wealthy families
McCain vs Obama - wife $$$$ vs Warren Buffets $$$$
Bush jr vs Kerry - both were Skull & Bones at Yale
Bush jr vs Gore - both had powerful political daddies
That takes us back to Dole who probably wins if Ross Perot does not enter as a 3rd party candidate.
Posted on 12/7/22 at 8:14 am to Toneski
A very rare 9-0 ruling which tells you just how bad the NCAA's position was.
Posted on 12/7/22 at 8:16 am to InkStainedWretch
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We either move forward and figure it out by the current rules
Foxes run the hen houses now, not in their best interest to figure it out
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the thing implodes
This may be the correct action but if it does, it will happen fast. Boomers dying off may be the canary in the coal mine as when their checks stop suddenly it will collapse fast.
Posted on 12/7/22 at 8:22 am to multicampus
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People want freedom right up until they don't like an outcome
Not true. the Robber Barons rose to power by buying their way out of the Civil War draft and accumulated massive wealth that crushed the masses. Government had to intervene because the Robber Barons would not police themselves. Carnagie was seen a a phlanthropist late in life but the flood that killed 3K to 5K and the strike that lead to bloodshed and death at his steel mills were what actually forced the change. They were publicly exposed in the press for human rights violations the the US government had to step in and curb their unfettered greed.
Posted on 12/7/22 at 8:35 am to Oilfieldbiology
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Football is $100 million profit generating entity for the school. Other sport cost millions of dollars to sponsor. That is the issue.
Yes and No
Basketball produces similar revenue but it is still owned by the NCAA
The issue is the same as modern America's corporate policy
Up to the 1980's US corporations operated under a 4 Q policy (net income)
1/4 went to labor
1/4 went to ALL management (not just top executives)
1/4 went to investors (usually via dividends that supported workers / individuals)
1/4 went to R&D and PP&E
Since the 1980's
Wall Street has sent labor outside the US and pocketed the savings
Wall Street has enriched top management but outsourced middle and kept $$$$
Wall Street has eliminated dividends and shifted to options for top executives
Wall Street laughs and spending money on where a company will make money
NCAA is no different, they have just shifted income to the wallets of a few. if top NCAA and college presidents were less greedy this never gets to the SCOTUS in the first place. Say in 1979 a college president got 2 free tickets to the Final Four (where his school was one of the 4) and by 1999 that same college president got 200 free tickets. it is easy to see where blame should be laid for killing the Golden Goose but it has not been, nor will it, till the whole thing collapses under its own greed.
Posted on 12/7/22 at 8:38 am to ForeverEllisHugh
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These guys got free college educations, room and board, food, tutoring, training, and the chance to go pro. That was more than enough compensation.
I would include the most valuable asset
Exposure / Marketing
I would also include health care (they get the best doctors in the country)
Posted on 12/7/22 at 8:41 am to Oilfieldbiology
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But you are prohibited from participating in the actual competition. That would be like saying the theoretical physicist student could not present new research for an entire year at a conference, publish new research, or apply for new patents because it competes with his old school.
Only post-graduates are used for publishing research or applying for grants. So, like how those who had already graduated didn't have to sit out a year, neither would academic students.
Posted on 12/7/22 at 8:48 am to Toneski
the supreme court did not rule on transfer
NCAA can absolutely remove the free transfer rule and they should. should be back like it was, sit a year if you transfer unless you graduated
and yes it is certainly for the best interest of the student athlete. over 40% of those that enter the portal no longer play again. not playing means they lose their scholarship.
does it hurt some at the top of the food chain...possibly, but overall its for the betterment of the game.
im ok wiht even allowing 1 free transfer up or down a division and consider p5 greater than g5.
biggest problem is almost half of these athletes that are transferring think they are much better than they are and dont want to accept goign down a level.
so they sit and lose the scholarship competely.
NCAA can absolutely remove the free transfer rule and they should. should be back like it was, sit a year if you transfer unless you graduated
and yes it is certainly for the best interest of the student athlete. over 40% of those that enter the portal no longer play again. not playing means they lose their scholarship.
does it hurt some at the top of the food chain...possibly, but overall its for the betterment of the game.
im ok wiht even allowing 1 free transfer up or down a division and consider p5 greater than g5.
biggest problem is almost half of these athletes that are transferring think they are much better than they are and dont want to accept goign down a level.
so they sit and lose the scholarship competely.
Posted on 12/7/22 at 8:58 am to lsu777
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the supreme court did not rule on transfer
NCAA can absolutely remove the free transfer rule and they should. should be back like it was, sit a year if you transfer unless you graduated
and yes it is certainly for the best interest of the student athlete. over 40% of those that enter the portal no longer play again. not playing means they lose their scholarship.
does it hurt some at the top of the food chain...possibly, but overall its for the betterment of the game.
im ok wiht even allowing 1 free transfer up or down a division and consider p5 greater than g5.
biggest problem is almost half of these athletes that are transferring think they are much better than they are and dont want to accept goign down a level.
so they sit and lose the scholarship competely.
Correct, the SCOTUS 9-0 ruling for the Alston case dealt with compensation relative to NIL, not transfer/eligibility rules.
Posted on 12/7/22 at 9:00 am to meansonny
Well that’s a damn good point.
Posted on 12/7/22 at 9:33 am to skrayper
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Only post-graduates are used for publishing research or applying for grants.
This isn’t true. I published an article and presented a paper as an undergrad.
Posted on 12/7/22 at 9:39 am to Toneski
College athletes on scholarship are not workers....they are students.
Kavanaugh missed to mark, big time.
Kavanaugh missed to mark, big time.
Posted on 12/7/22 at 9:42 am to Toneski
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Toneski
Does not understand what the SCOTUS ruled.
Has anybody explained it him yet?
Posted on 12/7/22 at 9:43 am to Oilfieldbiology
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That would be like saying the theoretical physicist student could not present new research for an entire year at a conference, publish new research, or apply for new patents because it competes with his old school.
It isn't saying that at all.
Completely disagree with the analogy.
Another flaw in the analogy is that we are referencing amateur athletes (not applicable to work environments or research).
The athletes need to maintain a 2.5 GPA and can only be so many years removed from high school. Adding a "redshirt year" requirement for non-grad transfers is no different than a 2.5 GPA requirement.
Posted on 12/7/22 at 9:46 am to oldskule
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College athletes on scholarship are not workers....they are students.
Kavanaugh missed to mark, big time.
Disagree with your premise.
They are students who own their own Name, Image, and Likeness.
This is a good thing.
They can be musicians and make money (not allowed before).
They can be social influences and make money (not allowed before).
They can be famous and capitalize on that fleeting fame (college doesn't last long).
The Supreme Court decision was a good one.
Pairing it with a 1 time transfer rule was just below college football suicide. It isn't sustainable.
And NIL isn't going anywhere (nor should it).
Posted on 12/7/22 at 9:52 am to Oilfieldbiology
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That particular poster is a huge progressive supporter of bigger government and more central control.
Wtf does this have to do with anything? JFC.
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