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re: If a QB accidentally releases the ball on the forward motion of a pump fake
Posted on 9/26/22 at 2:26 pm to Jon Ham
Posted on 9/26/22 at 2:26 pm to Jon Ham
If I was out there making the call on the field, I would rule it a fumble because that's historically what that play has been and what both teams expect it to be.
But if I'm asked to read through the rules, take them literally and precisely - which you should be able to do - then I would either agree with Jon or say it's not determinable per the rulebook.
Most of the arguments against the OP are defeated with easy counter-examples.
But if I'm asked to read through the rules, take them literally and precisely - which you should be able to do - then I would either agree with Jon or say it's not determinable per the rulebook.
Most of the arguments against the OP are defeated with easy counter-examples.
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Posted on 9/26/22 at 2:28 pm to skrayper
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Relevant content from A.R. 2-19-2-I:
When a Team A player is holding the ball to pass it forward toward the neutral zone, any intentional forward movement of his hand or arm with the ball firmly in his control starts the forward pass.
In other words, INTENT is a very strong component.
It's very clear his intent isn't to try and pass the ball to the mascot sitting outside of the end zone. He was trying to switch hands to reach for the TD and win the game instead of controlling the ball and letting himself be knocked OOB with snaps left to try and win.
Intentional forward movement of the hand. It says nothing about intent to complete a pass
Posted on 9/26/22 at 2:32 pm to 3down10
Pink Ears Saban can't figure out what to say so he starts whining and shite posting about "shite posting"
Alabama fans are "so knowledgeable" because of a former coach from Arkansas and a current coach from West Virginia
Same fanbase that wants the DC fired even though Bama's defense is ranked #2 in the nation in total defense - "fire Pete even he's southern and even though he's #2 nationally, because we watch 7th grade games at Hoover"
Alabama fans are "so knowledgeable" because of a former coach from Arkansas and a current coach from West Virginia
Same fanbase that wants the DC fired even though Bama's defense is ranked #2 in the nation in total defense - "fire Pete even he's southern and even though he's #2 nationally, because we watch 7th grade games at Hoover"
Posted on 9/26/22 at 2:32 pm to Jon Ham
Man you gotta let this one go (in a forward motion)
Posted on 9/26/22 at 2:34 pm to Jon Ham
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It was just like a shovel pass, a bad shovel pass, but the motion was the same.
No, it was not.
This post was edited on 9/26/22 at 2:35 pm
Posted on 9/26/22 at 2:37 pm to Jon Ham
There is a clear diff between reaching and intending to pass the ball.
Posted on 9/26/22 at 2:38 pm to skrayper
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skrayper
you're an idiot
it was an incomplete pass. Anyone can see that. A racoon in the back yard knows that.
Posted on 9/26/22 at 2:39 pm to Harry Rex Vonner
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it was an incomplete pass. Anyone can see that. A racoon in the back yard knows that.
You guys are adorable when you try this hard.
Posted on 9/26/22 at 2:40 pm to skrayper
obvious incomplete pass
Posted on 9/26/22 at 2:41 pm to Jon Ham
I agree with Mizzou alum and fan Jon Hamm, we won. Mizzou is 3-1. onto UGA.
Posted on 9/26/22 at 2:44 pm to skrayper
* because the arm motion isn't correct for a pass.
* because there was no receiver.
* because it's impossible to throw a pass beyond the LOS
* because there was no intent to throw
* because it was underhanded
* because it's a RB and not a QB
If you jump into the thread with one of these takes, know that your argument has already been thoroughly refuted multiple times
* because there was no receiver.
* because it's impossible to throw a pass beyond the LOS
* because there was no intent to throw
* because it was underhanded
* because it's a RB and not a QB
If you jump into the thread with one of these takes, know that your argument has already been thoroughly refuted multiple times
Posted on 9/26/22 at 2:48 pm to The Sultan of Swine
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refuted
Posted on 9/26/22 at 2:54 pm to skrayper
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If a QB makes that motion behind the LOS and there’s a receiver he’s trying to hit with that shovel pass but the ball hits the ground, that’s an incomplete pass all day every day
Posted on 9/26/22 at 2:58 pm to Harry Rex Vonner
quote:The word "throw" in the definition of "pass" assumes intent to throw and is differentiated from "los[ing] player possession". Any time you include intent into the discussion, things get subjective. Because these situations (reaching the ball for more yards or a TD) are always or almost always (I haven't seen an example of someone purposefully throwing the ball in that situation) the result of intent to reach the ball rather than intent to throw the ball, which would mean that the proper interpretation, based on context, is a fumble and not an illegal forward pass.
it was an incomplete pass. Anyone can see that. A racoon in the back yard knows that.
Posted on 9/26/22 at 2:59 pm to FooManChoo
All that has to be intentional is the forward motion of the arm/hand
Posted on 9/26/22 at 2:59 pm to Jon Ham
quote:Again, are you suggesting that every time a ball carrier stretches out the ball and loses it when they are clearly trying to gain additional yards, the player should be penalized for an illegal forward pass?
If a QB makes that motion behind the LOS and there’s a receiver he’s trying to hit with that shovel pass but the ball hits the ground, that’s an incomplete pass all day every day
Posted on 9/26/22 at 3:06 pm to Jon Ham
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QB makes that motion behind the LOS and there’s a receiver he’s trying to hit with that shovel pass but the ball hits the ground, that’s an incomplete pass all day every day
Maybe not. Dumb thread
Posted on 9/26/22 at 3:09 pm to FooManChoo
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Again, are you suggesting that every time a ball carrier stretches out the ball and loses it when they are clearly trying to gain additional yards, the player should be penalized for an illegal forward pass?
Not always. Each play should be looked at on its own. For the Mizzou play, the player had control of the ball, moved the ball forward with the voluntary motion of his arm, and during that forward movement released the ball forward.
Posted on 9/26/22 at 3:10 pm to The Sultan of Swine
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Intentional forward movement of the hand. It says nothing about intent to complete a pass
Love how you leave out this part of the rule:
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Team A player is holding the ball to pass it forward toward the neutral zone
Please show me where the Mizzou RB was trying to complete a forward pass toward the neutral zone
Posted on 9/26/22 at 3:11 pm to The Sultan of Swine
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But if I'm asked to read through the rules, take them literally and precisely
Apparently not when you disregard the "toward the neutral zone" language of the rule book.
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