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re: You knew it was coming (at least us smart folks did)...college players now unionizing

Posted on 7/23/22 at 8:53 am to
Posted by Olderthandirt
Member since May 2022
559 posts
Posted on 7/23/22 at 8:53 am to
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That and the Jock Tax.



And the IRS can throw a lot at them if they treat road games as they do in professional sports. I can imagine a college player figuring out how to pay income tax in five or six states. I am wondering how many do not understand the percentage of their NIL take that Uncle Sam is about to take.
Posted by Olderthandirt
Member since May 2022
559 posts
Posted on 7/23/22 at 9:02 am to
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Are you willing to forgo your salary tomorrow for bare minimum health insurance, a meal plan and a scholarship?

Do you generate as much revenue as these guys do?

Rhetorical question, of course the answer to both is "no."


If someone chooses to play football in 2022, they know the risks and most still choose to play including tens of thousands of walk-ons. As of 2020, there were 367,364 athletes in college on scholarship across every sport. Almost 30,000 of those are scholarship football players in FBS, FCS, DII and NAIA. I would guarantee most would still choose to play for the scholarship knowing the risks and believing it worth it to get a college degree without debt. It may not be paid in cash but there is extreme value to a full ride. At a university like USC, Stanford or Northwestern it has a pretax value of a half million dollars.
This post was edited on 7/23/22 at 9:08 am
Posted by coachcrisp
pensacola, fl
Member since Jun 2012
30607 posts
Posted on 7/23/22 at 9:15 am to
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Are you willing to forgo your salary tomorrow for bare minimum(?) health insurance, a meal plan and a scholarship?
Firstly, what "salary tomorrow"? Who's guaranteed future work? Secondly, health insurance, a meal plan and housing along with a college scholarship would entice the vast majority of students/parents to consider attending a school. Finally, as the thread title suggests, the "crack in the door" made by the NIL ruling has, just like daylight follows dark, amateur sports as we know it will no longer exist, and as always, what group of people will be damaged the most?
Posted by Dawgfanman
Member since Jun 2015
22782 posts
Posted on 7/23/22 at 9:22 am to
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How dare they want a slice of the pie and better medical care


They want to be employees, but not really…
Posted by Tigerlaff
FIGHTING out of the Carencro Sonic
Member since Jan 2010
20926 posts
Posted on 7/23/22 at 9:30 am to
There needs to be pushback against players. They receive free school, free room and board, a stipend, and the highest social status on every major campus in America. If they feel so marginalized and exploited they should quit the sport and take out student loans like all the normies.

The root of college football's culture is the fans' love for the institution, not their love for individual players who can hit the portal any time they like and suit up for a rival conference foe.
This post was edited on 7/23/22 at 9:34 am
Posted by jonnyanony
Member since Nov 2020
10318 posts
Posted on 7/23/22 at 9:30 am to
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I would guarantee most would still choose to play for the scholarship


Yes, most would. Most of those generate no revenue and will never play pro ball.

Different universes.
Posted by Keltic Tiger
Baton Rouge
Member since Dec 2006
19456 posts
Posted on 7/23/22 at 9:49 am to
If no one thinks this isn't just the first small crack in the door leading to full blown unionization, you haven't been paying attention to what's going on in the world today. How many "slippery slopes" are we as a country now on? There are Federal laws regulating national unions. And then here comes Congress, that so screwed up entity that is now fricking up the country. Any clue as to which party loves unions & favors giving them every legal break in the world? Picture Pelosi & her DNC getting involved on behalf of the players.
Posted by Olderthandirt
Member since May 2022
559 posts
Posted on 7/23/22 at 9:49 am to
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Yes, most would. Most of those generate no revenue and will never play pro ball.

Different universes.



Same universe. As most of those guys will lose their scholarships in the future as CFB consolidates.
Posted by Harry Rex Vonner
American southerner
Member since Nov 2013
35959 posts
Posted on 7/23/22 at 9:51 am to
Good

pay normal people and send the bill to the Deep State networks
Posted by Harry Rex Vonner
American southerner
Member since Nov 2013
35959 posts
Posted on 7/23/22 at 9:53 am to
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JetDawg



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Stick a fork in college football...it's done! LINK




you're an idiot
Posted by Porter Osborne Jr
Member since Sep 2012
40204 posts
Posted on 7/23/22 at 9:57 am to
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Are you willing to forgo your salary tomorrow for bare minimum health insurance, a meal plan and a scholarship? Do you generate as much revenue as these guys do? Rhetorical question, of course the answer to both is "no."


To be 18-23 and playing major college football? frick yeah.
Posted by jonnyanony
Member since Nov 2020
10318 posts
Posted on 7/23/22 at 10:33 am to
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Same universe. As most of those guys will lose their scholarships in the future as CFB consolidates.


I don't think they will at all.
Posted by jonnyanony
Member since Nov 2020
10318 posts
Posted on 7/23/22 at 10:34 am to
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To be 18-23 and playing major college football? frick yeah.


Sounds like you don't make much money then.
Posted by BuckI
Grove City, Ohio
Member since Oct 2020
3261 posts
Posted on 7/23/22 at 10:35 am to
If the B1G is smart(they are) then they will jump on this deal. All the top recruits will swarm the B1G schools like bees on honey.
Posted by TideWarrior
Asheville/Chapel Hill NC
Member since Sep 2009
11848 posts
Posted on 7/23/22 at 10:58 am to
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If the B1G is smart(they are) then they will jump on this deal. All the top recruits will swarm the B1G schools like bees on honey.


You seem to be clueless on how this would play out. So lets look at the numbers.

Top 20 schools include 11 in the SEC and only 4 in the B10. Adding Texas(Highest) and OU would give the SEC 13 of the top 20 and only USC is in there near the bottom bringing the B10 to 5.

And before you throw in TV deals it only generates about 15% of revenue for athletics.

So in that regards just based on revenue why would a athlete go to the B10 when they generate less revenue then the SEC. The B10 would not be allowed under the current association with the NCAA to support a union without every NCAA member being allowed to.

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In total, then, only 25 of the approximately 1,100 schools across 102 conferences in the NCAA made money on college sports last year. That's because the cost of running an entire athletics program, which can feature as many as 40 sports, almost always exceeds the revenue generated by the marquee attractions of football and basketball.


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Of the 125 FCS schools, all reported a negative net generated revenue, with a median loss of $14.3 million per institution.


Based on that even if unionized who cares as the colleges can demonstrate that their revenue is not profit as it goes back into the institution to cover cost of everything else including the non generating sports.

This is pretty basic but I understand how a B10 fan is grasping for any advantage they can gain with the hope their conference can become relevant once again.





This post was edited on 7/23/22 at 11:00 am
Posted by deputyfife
Member since Dec 2013
1130 posts
Posted on 7/23/22 at 11:20 am to
Fair enough. Though they already get much better medical care than any of us.

But now I want MY slice of the pie. The people of my state donated the land and have supported with monies for over a century to build the structure and facilities of the University. We own the intellectual property. No one would care or watch if these young men played in "NFL developmental league D" or whatever.

Let's get the accountants, actuarials, and lawyers to assess how much of the revenues and risks are due to each party here. Then we'll hand out those monies to all parties.
Posted by Ponchy Tiger
Ponchatoula
Member since Aug 2004
45314 posts
Posted on 7/23/22 at 1:21 pm to
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They should be paid something. How much that should be? Who knows.



will scholarship cost be factored into this?
Posted by TideWarrior
Asheville/Chapel Hill NC
Member since Sep 2009
11848 posts
Posted on 7/23/22 at 2:19 pm to
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will scholarship cost be factored into this?


If the NRLB is able to classify them as employees and they hence forth can create a union there will no longer be an athletic scholarship. Each athlete would receive a compensation and benefit package per an employment agreement. The benefits would include tuition, room and board, and all other expenses like travel. After that they would receive some type of compensation as an employee.

With that being said since it is no longer a scholarship several other dominoes would follow.

First Title 9 would be irrelevant since athletes are no longer on scholarship the college will no longer need to provide a certain number to female athletes/sports.

Second since Title 9 would have little concern non revenue generating sports in many cases would be dropped as many were only created to address Title 9 for female athletes.

Third is determining if the NCAA has any jurisdiction over the athletes since scholarships are no longer a item so I guess initial counters(25 incoming scholarship players) and 85 max scholarships would be gone.

Fourth would the NCAA have any jurisdiction on recruiting practices since these athletes would be considered employees and have to go through a hiring process.

Other variables that may come into play how would the union determine fair compensation for their employees. As someone mentioned earlier free tuition at Northwestern is far higher than at a public university. Will a an athlete at Alabama demand the same compensation/benefits at an equal rate? Not to mention how would this affect athletes competing in the Olympics and their amateur status or the draft requirements for time in college?
Posted by RD Dawg
Atlanta
Member since Sep 2012
27310 posts
Posted on 7/23/22 at 2:28 pm to
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They are seeking the same.


I would highly doubt this and bet they're seek long term health care regardless of injuries sustained in their CFB career... similar to MLB where one 1 game played on an active roster entitles you to healthcare for life.
Posted by RD Dawg
Atlanta
Member since Sep 2012
27310 posts
Posted on 7/23/22 at 2:38 pm to
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And before you throw in TV deals it only generates about 15% of revenue for athletics


Not for SEC and BIG schools.Its closer to the 25% to 30% range.

UGA has a athletic budget of $163 million+ and gets $55 million in CFB TV revenue and I'm not including local radio payouts along with TV revenue from basketball (no idea)
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