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We've got the pre-flag leaf on Rajapuri! The pre-flag is about half the size of the normal leaves. Next comes the flag leaf, then the flower. I may just barely have enough time if November is warm.

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Awesome, I'll wait until then and hack it back. I want it to be shorter and bushier. It keeps growing upwards. Last winter it was touching the roof of the greenhouse. I don't think it could fit in it now without bending the tops over and having them nipped by the cold where they touch.

Can always prune in the greenhouse too. But yeah the big haircut should be done in early spring before flowering.

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It looks like your fruits are a good ways ahead of mine. The biggest on my trees are about the size of pecans right now.

Bigger older tree in a 25g. Yours will settle in the next 1-2 years and start producing earlier and more prolifically.
M-4 is a big round Indian-type shaped mango.



That is clearly an oblong sigmoid Thai/East Asian type like Nam Doc Mai #4.



Where did you buy this? You're going to have to decide if you like this type of mango and whether you want to invest the time and risk in continuing to grow it.

Personally, these Thai type mangos are my least favorite flavor group. They have a simple honey sweetness sometimes with floral components. They are still objectively excellent compared to all store mangos, but I just find them to be too simple.

The biggest risk in my opinion is that this is not NDM #4, which as far as I know is the only dwarf Thai type mango. If it's any other variety it may be a huge vigorous tree that won't fare well in a container.

Hope you get your money back. M-4 is unbelievable and they ripped you off. Otherwise I would top work the tree into a known desired variety.
Uhhh, that's not M4. Do you mean Nam Doc Mai #4?
Made the initial topping cut on my cecilove mango at the growth ring. It already has one nice branch originating there so I decided it was time to build the structure. Kills me to lop off big pieces of expensive rare immature plants. But in a month I'll have a nice little tree going.

A guy who knows his stuff told me that the best time to do this is when the top growth is still soft but has changed from bronze to light green. The tree is in active growth mode and will immediately start working on the new branches.



Wiltz, I simply have not had the vigor problems you did with Cecilove. I have grown 3 of them now and they all grew nice and slowly like other dwarf trees. Never had the permanent stalling.
These have a 100% take rate for me. I don't even use the rooting powder. Just make the point sharp and jam that baby into the ground. Mine all froze but are coming back nicely.
Lol wow, that is a tree right there! Well done. You're about to enter "production mode" where the tree just really starts working overtime for you. Lot of guavas in your very near future.

Here's my advice on pruning. The weather is going to turn cold while you still have fruit on the tree. I would cut it back only as low as needed to fit in the greenhouse. You'll harvest a handful of fruit (usually the best ones) over the winter months. Start planning which branches you will let hold fruit now; you don't want the fruit on the highest branches that are likely to be cut.

Then, yes, guavas will absolutely take the hard prune you described. But do that in late February or early March with a dose of fertilizer when the tree is waking up and ready to grow again. If you hack it back to nothing in cold weather at the start of winter it will be a very slow recovery..

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OK bunch of early season updates. Let's do the palms first. Been on a real palm kick.

Lipstick finally happy.


Flamethrower pushing a new spear. This one wasn't draining for some reason and I cannot figure out why. Keeping a close eye on it. Seems to be ok with a couple hours of direct sun each day.


On the left, Chamaedorea radicalis. One the right, Adonidia merilli, the Christmas palm. The radicalis is hardy to the teens, takes full sun and full shade, and can stay in a pot without growing huge. The Christmas palm requires full sun, high humidity, dies in freezing weather, grows tall, and is exceptionally prone to spider mites when moved indoors. Why is the radicalis not everywhere in the south? Need to get these repotted into good soil.


Another radicalis. Tell me this isn't better than a Christmas palm.


Orange bird of paradise doing its thing.


Tall Namwah bananas on the left and Rajapuri on the right. The larger Rajapuri stalk survived winter with protection and will flower any day now.


Jalisco roja guava loaded with fruit. Very very excited about this one. Near legendary on the Tropical Fruit Forum boards.


Ruby supreme guava getting huge. 40+ guavas on the tree after thinning.


Lemon cattley guava on the back right and Kari starfruit on the back left. Cattley is absolutely loaded and Kari is right behind it.


Geffner atemoya tree has about 10 fruits set. Think big tropical pawpaw.




Sweetheart lychees from Lara Farms and Mexican guava from Costco.




Backyard bananas, loquats, and pawpaws. Just bought a new grafted pawpaw, Tropical Treat. Has one of the longest known ripening windows and requires multiple days above 90F to ripen. This should be a good cultivar for 9a/9b. Will ship in October from Perry's Pawpaws. Still have many in stock.


Just realized there is a slight haze on the camera lens. Probably sunscreen. Oh well, will be more careful next time.
Love this thread. People giving/trading stuff. Thanks to all for participating and special thanks to Wiltz and Lanier who actually live somewhere where tropicals are grown and offer such good advice.

Bunch of early season photos coming later today. These are the fun times, baws. If we are going to live with 90F and 75% RH let's at least grow the coolest things.

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Y’all were right banana buying is a crapshoot.


I don't even bother with actual retailers now. I just buy them over Facebook from hobby growers who actually have the real deal. After the 3rd or 4th speciality banana turned out to be just another dwarf Cavendish I learned my lesson. :lol:
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Would it be the wrong move to up pot my guava while it is fruiting? I have a 25 gal cattle protein tub that I can put it in. I should be able to slip it from the current pot (the orange one in the above photo) and into the tub. Would then pack the garys recipe soil mix around it. I wouldn't think that would disturb it too much but idk.

Go for it. The beauty of using the right soil is that you can just pop it out and into a bigger pot with almost no disturbance as you described. Plus guavas are just remarkably tough trees to begin with. Best method is to let the pot dry out really well before doing the removal. Should all come out clean that way.
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time for me to repot my Lipstick. That thing is taking off and growing like crazy. Lots of new growth and I have roots starting to grow out the bottom of the 3 gallon pot.

Very happy with how its doing. You had me scared to death of it at first.

Awesome! Show us some pics. Mine is also doing well. Once the heat got here it started pushing growth all over. Will snap a pic in a minute.

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Travelers palm. I just cant find a place to plant it in the yard once it gets too big for a container.

Ahh yes, that means it's time for the poor man's travelers palm: Strelitzia nicolai in a container. The white bird of paradise.
I should have said osmocote every 3 months during the growing season. I don't feed at all over winter unless it's a special case.
Osmocote every 3 months. Top dress refresh every spring.
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Man; ordinarily I’d probably say yes it’s too many. But the leaves look very healthy and the fruit seems well developed in terms of size. If they were all small and stunted I’d feel differently. So I say let it rip. By way of comparison; my 25g tree is definitely less dense than yours and I’m only going to get 2-3 mangoes from it.

My thoughts exactly. It got a great dose of k-mag preseason and foliar micros every few weeks in addition to slow release 8-2-12. It looks healthy. I think it's going to actually mature 10-12 mangos by August. And if that slows tree growth that's GREAT for me as a container grower.

Your endorsement means a lot, so thanks!
In the ground hip height. In a container lower because the container and caddy add height. My Pickering starts branching at 19in from soil level and that's about perfect for a 25+ gallon container mango.
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Holy crap I’ll say again that’s the healthiest mango tree (or maybe any tree) I’ve ever seen I can’t believe you’ve done that in a pot. Seriously dude that’s amazing


Thanks man. I second guess myself about it every single day. Lots I could probably be doing better.
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Force branching? Is this where you cut off the top to make it grow more like a bush?


Yes. But it's a little more complicated. A grafted mango will try to grow straight up until you cut it. But where you cut it matters.

There are these obvious growth rings along the stem that have leaves coming out of them. If you cut the tree above the growth ring, the ring will shoot out 3-5 new branches from that spot. All the initial scaffolding branches will therefore originate from the same point. They will also be more laterally oriented (growing out not up). In other words, a cut above the growth ring results in a lollipop shape.

If you cut below the growth ring (removing the ring), new single branches will emerge from the leaf stems below. Those branches will be more vertically oriented. If you like where the leaves are located below the ring, then you can plan out where new vertical branches will appear. If the leaves are not in convenient locations for new branches below the ring, you might want to just cut above the ring.

Some growers will say that below the ring cuts are better because you don't have all the scaffolding branches emerging from a single point on the trunk, which creates more weight stress at that point. Other growers say it doesn't matter. Personally, I think if the leaves below the ring are well-oriented, it's probably better to have your main branches emerging from 2-3 locations on the trunk instead of a single point. But I'm willing to change my mind on that.
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I finally had to stake up my Pickering as the branches were bending badly under the weight of the fruit. I don't like driving 6 foot steel stakes into my rootballs until I have to. It was either that or start cutting fruit to reduce weight.







12 mangos holding. Wiltz, you think that's too many for this 25g tree? My season is obviously different from yours. Flowering starts earlier and development takes longer with cooler winter and spring temps. Last year my first ripe Pickering was the first week of July. I also had a staggered bloom where one side of the tree started nearly 2 months after the other side. I think 12 looks like about the max for this guy but would welcome your thoughts.

Here's the late side of the tree.



In ground Cecilove is pushing foliage. I am shocked and delighted that it didn't bloom with the cool weather in early May.



Potted Cecilove dropped its bloom and is doing nothing. Watching for new leaves since it's about time to force branching.

Love Glenn, Carrie, and obviously LZ. Great mangos. Glad y'all are getting some rain. We are nearly flooding as it hasn't stopped raining for a week. Any trace of drought has been thoroughly busted. Lots of fungal pressure. But the following are loaded up or getting there:

Pickering mango
Ruby supreme guava
Jalisco red guava
Dwarf guava nana
Lemon cattley guava
Unique feijoa
Improved Coolidge feijoa
Kari starfruit
Red hybrid jaboticaba
LSU Hollier fig
Makok sapodilla
Silas Wood sapodilla
Black Suriname cherry
Bounty passionfruit
Geffner atemoya