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What has honestly happened to Alabama’s basketball team?
Posted on 3/8/22 at 10:26 am
Posted on 3/8/22 at 10:26 am
The talent is there on paper, but only 1 player (Shackleford) made the All SEC teams.
Shackleford is good, but is outclassed in talent by Davison, Quinnerly, and probably Ellis. This is a disappointing development.
Especially with Oats high octane offense.
Shackleford is good, but is outclassed in talent by Davison, Quinnerly, and probably Ellis. This is a disappointing development.
Especially with Oats high octane offense.
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Posted on 3/8/22 at 10:31 am to YellaDog
It's been discussed 750 times
- the talent isn't THAT good
- the roster has some serious issues (length, athleticism, defensive ability)
- the point guard position has been a roller coaster shite show
- the effort/intensity has been a roller coaster shite show
When you turn the ball over a ton, don't turn the other team over much and don't consistently play good defense, you are going to be a very streaky team.
- the talent isn't THAT good
- the roster has some serious issues (length, athleticism, defensive ability)
- the point guard position has been a roller coaster shite show
- the effort/intensity has been a roller coaster shite show
When you turn the ball over a ton, don't turn the other team over much and don't consistently play good defense, you are going to be a very streaky team.
This post was edited on 3/8/22 at 10:32 am
Posted on 3/8/22 at 10:34 am to YellaDog
Petty was the reason they were so good last year. Without him they have raw talent on paper but high school recruits don't always live up to their recruiting rankings. Also the SEC is as tough as it's ever been
Posted on 3/8/22 at 10:35 am to HOG92
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Petty was the reason they were so good last year.
The reason we were so good last year is we had an army of long, athletic and heady defenders lead by Herb and flanked by Ellis/Primo/Petty, which allowed JQ and Shack to be average/subpar defenders and not get picked on. Herb is quite possibly a generational defender, as he is showing at the NBA level this season. He's both athletically great and one of the smartest and most instinctive defenders I've ever seen. He made up for TONS of mistakes by others, and the others were also pretty solid defenders.
We have 1 of those guys back this year (Ellis), and the other replacement, Burnett, tore his ACL before the season started. JD and JQ are very bad defenders and Shack is an average defender who is probably as good as his athletic ability will allow him to be.
So, you have a team that struggles to stay in front of guards on defense plus one of the most turnover prone teams in the country (especially live ball turnovers that lead to automatic 2 on the other end)........that's going to be a very frustrating and sporadic team. Which is exactly what they are.
This post was edited on 3/8/22 at 10:41 am
Posted on 3/8/22 at 10:45 am to YellaDog
They just aren't a good 3 point shooting team but they jack up threes at a crazy rate, which will lead to crazy inconsistency.
For example: LSU is a bad 3 point shooting team (32.3%) and has attempted 640 three's. Bama is an even worse 3 point shooting team (31.1%) and they have attempted 929 threes. Bama was a much better 3 point shooting team last year (35.2%) and had 989 attempts including postseason.
For example: LSU is a bad 3 point shooting team (32.3%) and has attempted 640 three's. Bama is an even worse 3 point shooting team (31.1%) and they have attempted 929 threes. Bama was a much better 3 point shooting team last year (35.2%) and had 989 attempts including postseason.
Posted on 3/8/22 at 10:46 am to ForeverLSU5
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They just aren't a good 3 point shooting team but they jack up threes at a crazy rate, which will lead to crazy inconsistency.
For example: LSU is a bad 3 point shooting team (32.3%) and has attempted 640 three's. Bama is an even worse 3 point shooting team (31.1%) and they have attempted 929 threes. Bama was a much better 3 point shooting team last year (35.2%) and had 989 attempts including postseason.
Offense isn't the issue. We're a good offensive team based on every metric available. We miss a lot of 3s but we also rebound a bunch of those misses (#1 SEC, #12 nationally in O-Reb %) and turn them into easy 2s (#1 SEC 2PT FG%, #11 nationally).
The fact that this team, one that isn't a great 3PT shooting team and turns the ball over so much, and is still a Top 20 offense nationally, is about as ringing an endorsement for Oats offensive system as exists IMHO. We are #2 in the SEC in Points Per Possession and #2 in Adjusted Efficiency and we can't make outside shots. Kind of destroys the narrative that Oats system is all 3 pointers or nothing.
This post was edited on 3/8/22 at 10:50 am
Posted on 3/8/22 at 11:05 am to SummerOfGeorge
The 3 pointers narrative is lazy and iinaccurate. The offense creattes wide open looks , if we re making 3s watch out but like u say george its still efficient despite the turnover issues
Posted on 3/8/22 at 11:24 am to SummerOfGeorge
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the point guard position has been a roller coaster shite show
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don't consistently play good defense
IMO everything SoG said is correct (and the list is long), but I think it can be summarized by poor, inconsistent guard play and lack of a Herb/Petty defensive combo (Petty matched on a primary scorer and Herb roaming to clean up garbage).
Posted on 3/8/22 at 11:33 am to SummerOfGeorge
Alabama’s offense is good, even if they aren’t that great from 3 this season. That being said, the 3s, the turnovers, mediocre defense, and offensive rebounding all add up to a high variance/streaky team
Posted on 3/8/22 at 11:37 am to SummerOfGeorge
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t's been discussed 750 times
As you know, the vast majority of posters on this board don't care about actual sports discussion, but just trash talk.
Posted on 3/8/22 at 11:39 am to TiderinVa
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The 3 pointers narrative is lazy and iinaccurate.
It does seem to be an issue at times though. My rationale though is acknowledging when it’s not your night and leaning into driving the lane for baskets instead. I know they just kept shooting in that first game with us. That said, I don’t know if that’s an Oats problem or a personnel problem when it comes to that adjustment though since I haven’t watched Alabama enough this year to say one way or another.
This post was edited on 3/8/22 at 11:41 am
Posted on 3/8/22 at 11:41 am to YellaDog
Covid went away and they started sucking arse again! 
Same thing happened with their football team
Same thing happened with their football team
Posted on 3/8/22 at 11:42 am to WilliamTaylor21
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Covid went away and they started sucking arse again!
Same thing happened with their football team
LSU and UGA the last 2 legit national champs
Posted on 3/8/22 at 11:46 am to YellaDog
Auburn and Kentucky returned to their usual form.
The SEC was horrific last season.
The SEC was horrific last season.
Posted on 3/8/22 at 12:17 pm to YellaDog
Talent is down
No identity
There ya go.
No identity
There ya go.
Posted on 3/8/22 at 12:21 pm to YellaDog
Being 6th in 3 pt attempts, while being 295th in 3pt percentage, leads to very inconsistent results.
This post was edited on 3/8/22 at 12:25 pm
Posted on 3/8/22 at 12:26 pm to BluegrassBelle
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It does seem to be an issue at times though. My rationale though is acknowledging when it’s not your night and leaning into driving the lane for baskets instead. I know they just kept shooting in that first game with us. That said, I don’t know if that’s an Oats problem or a personnel problem when it comes to that adjustment though since I haven’t watched Alabama enough this year to say one way or another.
It's a good way to quickly get in a hole, for sure. Defense can't stop anyone so when the offense goes cold it's a small disaster. South Carolina came back from 25 down within 10 minutes... ended up winning that one but it's absolutely frustrating to watch at times
Posted on 3/8/22 at 1:01 pm to Cocotheape
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mediocre defense
A lot is being made about the offense, but ultimately this is perhaps the best, most concise answer.
This season Alabama has given up 86+ points six times (1-5), and scored 86+ 10 times (9-1).
It can be overcome with a high output, but barring that, you just aren’t consistently winning a ton of games when your defense is that bad.
Posted on 3/8/22 at 2:13 pm to Stidham8
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The SEC was horrific last season.
SEC had 6 NCAA tournaments last year……it has 6 this year.
1-6 is definitely stronger this season but 7-14 was stronger last season
Posted on 3/8/22 at 2:16 pm to YellaDog
Bama plays more like it's a pickup game, no discipline, every man for himself. They show spurts of being good, but can't maintain it
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