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re: Will Adams on Harsin vs. Gus
Posted on 1/22/21 at 4:21 pm to Rig
Posted on 1/22/21 at 4:21 pm to Rig
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I think everyone in here who hasn’t listened to the podcast should actually listen to the podcast.
Couple of folks have dug their heels in too deep to listen to it at this point. Peak Aubie board
Posted on 1/22/21 at 4:45 pm to TheJones
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I could have this wrong on Harsin but I thought his motivation to leave Boise was the fact that he felt like they couldn’t get to the next level in the MWC and that Boise seemed content to stay there and continue dominating. Didn’t see it as a resource thing but I’m not claiming to know all here
I think I read articles where it was a combination of both. He did want more in the budget that was denied, but he also didn't like they were going a different direction as to the conference affiliation and Harsin didn't think they were doing anything to move up and be more competitive at the conference level.
Posted on 1/22/21 at 5:05 pm to TheJones
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A lot of that is planted by other coaching staffs but there were guys we just never had a shot with on offense because they were convinced they needed more to make it to the next level
And that showed in our lack of getting more 5* i think from players who felt they had the 'tools' to go to the next level but needed that extra 'technique' and 'skill' training they expected at the college level.
Posted on 1/22/21 at 5:05 pm to Rig
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I think everyone in here who hasn’t listened to the podcast should actually listen to the podcast.
I don’t understand how anyone who has watched auburn for the last 6 years couldn’t listen to that podcast and go “yup”
This post was edited on 1/22/21 at 5:06 pm
Posted on 1/22/21 at 9:31 pm to tilco
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I don’t understand how anyone who has watched auburn for the last 6 years couldn’t listen to that podcast and go “yup”
Posted on 1/22/21 at 9:35 pm to bluedragon
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With well over seven years of playing and 25 years of Officiating under my belt
OK, so you weren't a player under Malzahn or Harsin like the guys on the podcast, got it...'preciate the clarification.
Posted on 1/22/21 at 10:10 pm to TailbackU
You can’t take a players opinion as the end all be all. You can’t really ever take anyone’s opinion as the end all be all.
There’s probably a lot of truth in what they say. And probably some not so true things. Not because they’re lying or anything but just because when you get someone’s account on things, that ends up being the case. Especially when you’re dealing with something as big as a D1 program.
There’s probably a lot of truth in what they say. And probably some not so true things. Not because they’re lying or anything but just because when you get someone’s account on things, that ends up being the case. Especially when you’re dealing with something as big as a D1 program.
Posted on 1/22/21 at 10:32 pm to Weagle25
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There’s probably a lot of truth in what they say. And probably some not so true things
"There is only atoms and empty space...everything else is opinion." - Heraclitus
Posted on 1/22/21 at 10:35 pm to TailbackU
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There is only Adams and empty space...everything else is opinion."
FIFY
Posted on 1/23/21 at 4:42 am to GoCrazyAuburn
I listened to the podcast.
I did not hear anything that I thought was surprising.
Whether we want to admit it or not, CGM had fairly simple schemes.
He succeeded at times, but CGM never really evolved.
It sounds like CBH has an approach that will develop the players understanding of how everything works against various alignments and the variety of adjustments that must be made to optimize the outcome of a given play against a given defensive scheme.
The tone of the guys did not seem vindictive.
If anything they seemed to just share their experience.
It was a simple offense in 2013, but it was executed to perfection at times.
Dismukes winning the Remington and not making an NFL roster I was a bit surprising to me at the time, but it makes sense now.
Recruiting may improve upfront if CBH IF this staff can take some 3 star linemen and get them to the league. Top shelf recruits have so much more information to sift through now. Maybe this staff will develop players potential better than the last staff.
I did not hear anything that I thought was surprising.
Whether we want to admit it or not, CGM had fairly simple schemes.
He succeeded at times, but CGM never really evolved.
It sounds like CBH has an approach that will develop the players understanding of how everything works against various alignments and the variety of adjustments that must be made to optimize the outcome of a given play against a given defensive scheme.
The tone of the guys did not seem vindictive.
If anything they seemed to just share their experience.
It was a simple offense in 2013, but it was executed to perfection at times.
Dismukes winning the Remington and not making an NFL roster I was a bit surprising to me at the time, but it makes sense now.
Recruiting may improve upfront if CBH IF this staff can take some 3 star linemen and get them to the league. Top shelf recruits have so much more information to sift through now. Maybe this staff will develop players potential better than the last staff.
Posted on 1/23/21 at 9:50 am to AUEE13
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-Harsin struggles with micromanagement.
ruh roh
Posted on 1/23/21 at 9:53 am to Weagle25
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You can’t take a players opinion as the end all be all. You can’t really ever take anyone’s opinion as the end all be all.
There’s probably a lot of truth in what they say. And probably some not so true things. Not because they’re lying or anything but just because when you get someone’s account on things, that ends up being the case. Especially when you’re dealing with something as big as a D1 program.
This isn't just one player's opinion, but 3 players(including the 2 podcast hosts) who played for Gus on the line across different years at Auburn.
So hearing the 3 of them agree on so many things, tells me Adams was not exaggerating or spinning it as just his opinion.
Posted on 1/23/21 at 11:43 am to jangalang
So does Saban and Myers. Just means they want to see everyone doing what he wants and expects
Posted on 1/23/21 at 12:26 pm to jangalang
Agree that micromanaging can be a bad thing, but done in the correct way it can help build the program in the mindset of the HC. Saban has his finger prints on everything that’s done at Bama, Meyer was the same way at UF and OHST, Dabo is the same way at Clemson.
Posted on 1/23/21 at 1:15 pm to Zinger
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Agree that micromanaging can be a bad thing, but done in the correct way it can help build the program in the mindset of the HC. Saban has his finger prints on everything that’s done at Bama, Meyer was the same way at UF and OHST, Dabo is the same way at Clemson.
There is a difference between micromanaging and setting a course and expecting your underlings to excel in their pursuit of that course. Saban is not a micromanager. He's an excellent leader. Dabo is absolutely not a micromanager. Micromanagement is signing off on every scholarship offer personally...leadership is establishing a recruitment strategy and process then expecting the guys you hire to accomplish it. Micromanagement is worrying about the play sheet on Tuesday when you have an OC calling plays...leadership is offering a vision of what you want the team to accomplish and giving the OC the ability to flesh out that vision with their own perspective involved.
Posted on 1/23/21 at 3:34 pm to Tigerman97
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There is a difference between micromanaging and setting a course and expecting your underlings to excel in their pursuit of that course
I think some of you put way too much stock in the language used by twenty somethings on a podcast. They aren’t walking Webster dictionaries.
Posted on 1/23/21 at 3:43 pm to Rhymenoceros
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I think some of you put way too much stock in the language used by twenty somethings on a podcast. They aren’t walking Webster dictionaries.
I didn’t listen. Just think it’s lazy to believe successful people like Saban and Dabo are micromangers. It’s a fundamental misunderstanding of the intent of the word.
Posted on 1/23/21 at 3:56 pm to Tigerman97
For what it's worth, I got the impression from what Will said that him micromanaging is more something he actively tries to avoid than something he just does without realizing it. But also, that's the perception from the player's perspective. Could just be he likes to be involved and we don't know what goes on when the coaches are talking.
Posted on 1/23/21 at 4:04 pm to AUEE13
quote:listen to 18:00 to 20:00 minutes in
-Harsin struggles with micromanagement.
Seems it was more something he recognizes; so while it may exist as a trait, he's not letting it get in the way for the most part. Not in every day circumstances.
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