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Will Adams on Harsin vs. Gus
Posted on 1/22/21 at 10:57 am
Posted on 1/22/21 at 10:57 am
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I've seen this posted a few other places, SIAP but I didn't see it here yet. Reese Dismukes and Alex Kozan have an Auburn football related podcast and recently had Will Adams on. You might remember he came to Auburn over Georgia Tech several years ago, but later transferred to Boise State. I found his perspective from playing under both coaches very interesting and informative.
Some highlights:
-Culture at Boise was vastly different than Auburn. Everyone hated to lose, from the top down. Wasn't the case at Auburn.
-Malzahn is more analytical and scheme-oriented while Harsin is more personnel-oriented.
-Prefers Russell's approach to S&C over Pitman.
-Confirmed we ran like 4 plays. Will was totally unprepared for detailed football terminology, protections, etc. going into Boise.
-Harsin struggles with micromanagement.
-Will said Boise facilities were better than ours when he left.
-Malzahn didn't seem to be open to former players coming around other than guys like Bo and Cam.
I've seen this posted a few other places, SIAP but I didn't see it here yet. Reese Dismukes and Alex Kozan have an Auburn football related podcast and recently had Will Adams on. You might remember he came to Auburn over Georgia Tech several years ago, but later transferred to Boise State. I found his perspective from playing under both coaches very interesting and informative.
Some highlights:
-Culture at Boise was vastly different than Auburn. Everyone hated to lose, from the top down. Wasn't the case at Auburn.
-Malzahn is more analytical and scheme-oriented while Harsin is more personnel-oriented.
-Prefers Russell's approach to S&C over Pitman.
-Confirmed we ran like 4 plays. Will was totally unprepared for detailed football terminology, protections, etc. going into Boise.
-Harsin struggles with micromanagement.
-Will said Boise facilities were better than ours when he left.
-Malzahn didn't seem to be open to former players coming around other than guys like Bo and Cam.
This post was edited on 1/22/21 at 11:04 am
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Posted on 1/22/21 at 11:04 am to AUEE13
Adams thought Boise’s facilities were better than Auburn’s. He was also disappointed that we let Ryan Russell go
Really liked what he said about the winning culture there and that guys didn’t need motivation for games. Also appreciated that he said they worked just as hard at Boise but football was more fun
Really liked what he said about the winning culture there and that guys didn’t need motivation for games. Also appreciated that he said they worked just as hard at Boise but football was more fun
Posted on 1/22/21 at 11:49 am to TheJones
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Confirmed we ran like 4 plays. Will was totally unprepared for detailed football terminology, protections, etc. going into Boise.
That is pure crap ...but believe what you can absorb ...
Posted on 1/22/21 at 11:51 am to bluedragon
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That is pure crap ...but believe what you can absorb .
Conform or you will be shunned
Posted on 1/22/21 at 11:53 am to LanierSpots
Yeah, I’m not buying it. I do think it was a somewhat simplistic offense, but many college offenses are.
Posted on 1/22/21 at 11:53 am to bluedragon
I mean, I didn't make that up. Former AU offensive linemen under Gus said that (granted I paraphrased).
I'm sure it was embellished to make a point.
I'm sure it was embellished to make a point.
Posted on 1/22/21 at 11:56 am to bluedragon
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Confirmed we ran like 4 plays. Will was totally unprepared for detailed football terminology, protections, etc. going into Boise.
That is pure crap ...but believe what you can absorb ...
why would he lie about that? Could it be he was referring to their blocking schemes when talking about the difference in their offense between Gus and Harsin?
I was a little concerned he brought up Harsin tended to micromanage. I thought it was Gus who did that too?
Posted on 1/22/21 at 11:58 am to AuSteeler
Is this the Will Adams we stole from Ga Tech on signing day that never played more than 5 downs for Auburn then left?
Posted on 1/22/21 at 11:59 am to LanierSpots
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Is this the Will Adams we stole from Ga Tech on signing day that never played more than 5 downs for Auburn then left?
Yes.
Posted on 1/22/21 at 11:59 am to AUEE13
OK then
Posted on 1/22/21 at 12:00 pm to bluedragon
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That is pure crap ...but believe what you can absorb ...
Probably more like ran the same play out of multiple formations to try and give it a different look. The old window dressing technique.
Posted on 1/22/21 at 12:06 pm to Lee County Tiger
Well in 2013 and 2014 that was probably mostly true. We didn’t really need to run more They were getting everything they wanted and nobody could stop it
They were getting everything they wanted and nobody could stop itThis post was edited on 1/22/21 at 12:07 pm
Posted on 1/22/21 at 12:13 pm to Lee County Tiger
When you listen to this and think back to the UGA game where Jordan Rodgers pointed out that AU’s offensive line had preset calls and had no ability to adjust protection pre-snap, it makes a lot of sense.
Posted on 1/22/21 at 12:16 pm to LanierSpots
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Is this the Will Adams we stole from Ga Tech on signing day that never played more than 5 downs for Auburn then left?
Adams wasn’t trying to dunk on Gus. If anything, he was overly complimentary of Gus and, while comparing him to Harsin, noted his acumen for offense. And I think it was actually Dismukes that pointed out the 4 play thing.
He was also very self deprecating. This was a light hearted interview and Adams was very up front that he needed to go to Boise because they had shittier players and he was never going to play as the #2 OT and #3 OG.
Posted on 1/22/21 at 12:17 pm to TheJones
Which is insane because you don't change to a more complex passing scheme without changing protection. But Gus thought it was a good idea.
Posted on 1/22/21 at 12:21 pm to Rig
They were saying that they had 2 different protections and didn’t have to read anything. Said at Boise and in the NFL they had to know what the defense looked like, even down to what the cornerbacks were doing, at that they had responsibility to communicate that back to the QB. Didn’t have to do any of that at Auburn
When I’ve talked about Auburn’s frustrating OL recruiting strategy: taking guys new to the position, football, America or English in general, that this was why. Because they could prioritize physical fit and teach a simple position for Gus’s offense.
When I’ve talked about Auburn’s frustrating OL recruiting strategy: taking guys new to the position, football, America or English in general, that this was why. Because they could prioritize physical fit and teach a simple position for Gus’s offense.
Posted on 1/22/21 at 12:22 pm to TheJones
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Adams wasn’t trying to dunk on Gus. If anything, he was overly complimentary of Gus and, while comparing him to Harsin, noted his acumen for offense. And I think it was actually Dismukes that pointed out the 4 play thing.
He was also very self deprecating. This was a light hearted interview and Adams was very up front that he needed to go to Boise because they had shittier players and he was never going to play as the #2 OT and #3 OG.
I wanted to give some highlights for people who didn't have time to listen, but I didn't mean to get people caught up in the "4 play" thing. I was more hoping people would have this takeaway.
Basically Will had good things to say about both coaches, as well as critiques. Just thought it was a very unique perspective to share and help us understand how the program and team will be changing.
Posted on 1/22/21 at 12:23 pm to bawbarn
Somewhat simplistic? Everyone who announced our games knew what we were running before the ball was even snapped.
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Posted on 1/22/21 at 12:25 pm to AUEE13
It was a good interview I thought and it was a fun listen. We tend to get prickly over certain talking points on this board and number of plays, routes, etc., is one of them
Posted on 1/22/21 at 12:30 pm to AUCE05
I listened to it. Adams AND Reece both said Gus's offense was simplistic. Reece said when he got to the NFL he was lost. Adams said Boise required a lot more out of the O-lineman as far as pre-snap reads. He said he was asked to read safeties and corners which he never did at AU.
And Adams said the Boise facilities were better. Kinda sad really. AU has dropped the ball there. AU's facilities are behind Kentucky and USCe right now (that's a fact). It's a sad state of affairs that needs to be corrected.
That football facility can't get built fast enough. And I am sure Harsin told Greene that when he was hired. Remember Harsin was looking to get out of Boise because they weren't spending enough money up there. There's no way he takes this job without some assurances, imo.
And Adams said the Boise facilities were better. Kinda sad really. AU has dropped the ball there. AU's facilities are behind Kentucky and USCe right now (that's a fact). It's a sad state of affairs that needs to be corrected.
That football facility can't get built fast enough. And I am sure Harsin told Greene that when he was hired. Remember Harsin was looking to get out of Boise because they weren't spending enough money up there. There's no way he takes this job without some assurances, imo.
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