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Posted on 3/24/20 at 3:03 pm to Awesome Dave
Posted on 3/24/20 at 3:03 pm to Awesome Dave
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The researchers point to the fact that flu viruses are more stable in cold temperatures, and the respiratory droplets that act as viral containers, remain airborne longer in dry air. Also, cold, dry weather weakens immunity. As humidity increases, so does the size of viral droplets, which fall from the air faster, providing less opportunity for others to breathe in the infectious droplets.
"These mechanisms are also likely to apply to the COVID-19 transmission. Our result is also consistent with the evidence that high temperature and high relative humidity reduce the viability of SARS coronavirus."
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Another concern, however, is that the new virus is stable for several hours to days in aerosols and on surfaces, according to another new study, this one by the National Institutes of Health, CDC, UCLA and Princeton University scientists.
The study, published in the New England Journal of Medicine, found that the new coronavirus was detectable for up to three hours in aerosols, up to four hours on copper, and up to 24 hours on cardboard and two to three days on plastic and stainless steel.
But scientists point with further hope to other studies the prove heat and humidity puts a damper on the spread of influenza viruses.
Low humidity, to the contrary, increases spread of those viruses. An animal study of influenza last year by Yale researchers found that low humidity obstructs immune response by preventing the tiny hair-like structures, or cilia, in airways cells from removing viruses and mucus. It also limited those cells' repair functions. Dry air also hampered the ability of infected cells to trigger the immune system to attack.
in other words, they aren't sure yet
This post was edited on 3/24/20 at 3:04 pm
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Posted on 3/24/20 at 7:42 pm to MrAUTigers
Virus not mutating apparently
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Virologists Stanley Perlman of the University of Iowa and Benjamin Neuman of Texas A&M University at Texarkana agreed; Perlman stated, “The virus has not mutated to any significant extent,” while Neuman echoed, “Just one ‘pretty bad’ strain for everybody so far. If it’s still around in a year, by that point we might have some diversity … Flu does have one trick up its sleeve that coronaviruses do not have — the flu virus genome is broken up into several segments, each of which codes for a gene. When two flu viruses are in the same cell, they can swap some segments, potentially creating a new combination instantly — this is how the H1N1 ‘swine’ flu originated.”
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Scientists are examining novel pathogen’s genetic code, as the Post reported, writing, “All viruses evolve over time, accumulating mutations as they replicate imperfectly inside a host’s cells in tremendous numbers and then spread through a population, with some of those mutations persisting through natural selection. The new coronavirus has proofreading machinery, however, and that reduces the ‘error rate’ and the pace of mutation.”
This post was edited on 3/24/20 at 7:43 pm
Posted on 3/24/20 at 10:25 pm to Weagle25
Day - whatever
3 cases of Ultra under the bed
2 boxes of wine under bed
Cigarette's ran out over the weekend
Still going to work
Wife - less than a week of no school, let my son throw the football from our yard, to kid across the street in his yard - social distancing
Wife un-practicing nurse (seriously)
Fairhope Walmart shelves pretty full. Seems folks are taking this seriously
Watching youtube Iron Bowl clips
3 cases of Ultra under the bed
2 boxes of wine under bed
Cigarette's ran out over the weekend
Still going to work
Wife - less than a week of no school, let my son throw the football from our yard, to kid across the street in his yard - social distancing
Wife un-practicing nurse (seriously)
Fairhope Walmart shelves pretty full. Seems folks are taking this seriously
Watching youtube Iron Bowl clips
Posted on 3/25/20 at 4:35 am to Aubie Spr96
Just gonna reiterate that the economy is screwed (for now) either way. You can either have a screwed economy and have less sick, or delay the inevitable and have more sick. It's an easy choice. We need to quarantine until everyone can get tested or we squash this thing. There is no economy if everyone is getting sick.
It's already affecting the ones we love. I have a buddy at EAMC that got exposed to the virus and now has to self quarantine.
And this earlier from our own Auburn Family: Tweet from Director of College of Communication and Journalism
And I just saw the E's post about his mother. I have four very high risk people in Prattville so of course I'm extremely worried now.
This isn't about money anymore. It's far beyond that. It's about humanity. It's about our health. It's about living.
Praying for you all to stay healthy and do the right thing.
It's already affecting the ones we love. I have a buddy at EAMC that got exposed to the virus and now has to self quarantine.
And this earlier from our own Auburn Family: Tweet from Director of College of Communication and Journalism
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My husband is 46. Healthy, a Navy veteran and (gasp!) a Republican in a red state.
He tested positive today for
#coronavirus.
This virus doesn't care about your age, military status, political party or where you live.
I have never seen him so sick. And I'm scared. This is his eighth day of being isolated from his two daughters and me. For those who say, "it's just like the flu." He would tell you this is 10 times worse than the flu.
For those who have said it is a hoax and "I don't know anyone with the virus," well, you do now.
When you see the numbers of confirmed cases tonight, stating that Lee County now has 26 people infected, know that my husband is one of those 26. This is not a group in which you want to become a member.
This is real. This is in Auburn. This is serious.
Please JUST. STAY. HOME.
And I just saw the E's post about his mother. I have four very high risk people in Prattville so of course I'm extremely worried now.
This isn't about money anymore. It's far beyond that. It's about humanity. It's about our health. It's about living.
Praying for you all to stay healthy and do the right thing.
Posted on 3/25/20 at 5:13 am to BranTheHuman2
Nope ... we gotta be back to work by Easter. 
My biggest gripe and concern is testing. The whole thing is, and has been, one giant debacle. There wasn't enough test kits to even get started, despite China having time to build new hospitals, and then some du'fuss screws these test up. And of those that weren't botched the delay was as if someone took off for vacation. There's still no way for most to know if they have it, if they're unsafe to be around the family, and should they notify possible contacts. While, like I said earlier, while China built a ground up new hospital and other counties were beginning to stack up their bodies like cord wood.
And now we're getting the ever increasing blame game from Washington, compete with finger pointing, endless talking, and a piece meal pass the buck approach to what was (and is) an obvious national emergency.
eta: sorry about the rant... just needed to let it out somewhere
My biggest gripe and concern is testing. The whole thing is, and has been, one giant debacle. There wasn't enough test kits to even get started, despite China having time to build new hospitals, and then some du'fuss screws these test up. And of those that weren't botched the delay was as if someone took off for vacation. There's still no way for most to know if they have it, if they're unsafe to be around the family, and should they notify possible contacts. While, like I said earlier, while China built a ground up new hospital and other counties were beginning to stack up their bodies like cord wood.
And now we're getting the ever increasing blame game from Washington, compete with finger pointing, endless talking, and a piece meal pass the buck approach to what was (and is) an obvious national emergency.
eta: sorry about the rant... just needed to let it out somewhere
This post was edited on 3/25/20 at 5:59 am
Posted on 3/25/20 at 9:17 am to BranTheHuman2
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Just gonna reiterate that the economy is screwed (for now) either way.
Well it is now thanks to a gross overreaction by the media, politicians, and social media.
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You can either have a screwed economy and have less sick, or delay the inevitable and have more sick. It's an easy choice.
This is total bullshite. We were given no choice in the matter.
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We need to quarantine until everyone can get tested or we squash this thing. There is no economy if everyone is getting sick.
OK, Stalin. Instead of that, why not let people make their own choices regarding their health? You've set this up as an either or decision. It's not.
Posted on 3/25/20 at 10:21 am to Aubie Spr96
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why not let people make their own choices regarding their health?
Our healthcare system cannot manage this disease unmitigated. It cannot handle it with everything we’re even doing now. And people that are trying desperately not to get this disease (aka, making their own choices regarding their health) are getting sick by the thousands. Hospitalized by the thousands, and dying by the thousands. And we’ve only just begun.
There are millions of Americans that will need to seek medical care this year for non COVID19 related issues that will not have access to that care due to this virus. They will need that care due to their choice regarding their health. Suddenly we've lost sight of that.
UAB is already diagnosing physicians, nurses, and staff with COVID19. They’re increasing their ICU space and converting surgical suites to care for patients and now colleagues. They’re begging people in Alabama to stay home. To stay away from friends and family for the time being.
My wife is scared every single day she goes to work. She cries in the middle of dinner. Her hospital is maxed out and working around the clock to take care of everyone, COVID patients, other patients, etc. Her colleagues are being diagnosed and two are fighting for their life. There may come a day where she will too. She is making decisions that hopefully will preserve your right to make your own choices regarding your health in the immediate future and hopefully for the long term. They all are
This post was edited on 3/25/20 at 10:22 am
Posted on 3/25/20 at 10:31 am to TheJones
Get your damn logic and reason out of here Jonesy
Posted on 3/25/20 at 10:40 am to TheJones
I’ve been trying to leave my posts with a positive and I have some today too.
My wife’s hospital is working around the clock to convert space to see more patients. They’re getting a lot of commitments from community healthcare providers (some are elective procedure specialists, retired physicians, stay at home mothers that are RNs, you name it) to rotate in and support the staff at the hospitals. PPE donations have been incredible from the community. They’re sewing masks from miscellaneous sterile materials. In short, people have been nothing short but fricking amazing.
My wife’s hospital is working around the clock to convert space to see more patients. They’re getting a lot of commitments from community healthcare providers (some are elective procedure specialists, retired physicians, stay at home mothers that are RNs, you name it) to rotate in and support the staff at the hospitals. PPE donations have been incredible from the community. They’re sewing masks from miscellaneous sterile materials. In short, people have been nothing short but fricking amazing.
Posted on 3/25/20 at 10:46 am to TheJones
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In short, people have been nothing short but fricking amazing.
Really is cool to see people rally for a common good. Hate it takes circumstances like these, but still is hopeful to see.
Posted on 3/25/20 at 10:52 am to TheJones
quote:Vandy (along with many others I’m sure) has cleared parking decks and converted them into triage and ICUs. Seeing beds and monitors in every parking space is surreal.
UAB is already diagnosing physicians, nurses, and staff with COVID19. They’re increasing their ICU space and converting surgical suites to care for patients
Posted on 3/25/20 at 11:13 am to Aubie Spr96
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Well it is now thanks to a gross overreaction by the media, politicians, and social media.
And apparently most medical professionals. I guess they all get their opinions from CNN and the Huffington Post? We need to steer them towards Fox News (although we'd have to use old broadcasts) and Breitbart.
Posted on 3/25/20 at 11:14 am to TheJones
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My wife is scared every single day she goes to work. She cries in the middle of dinner.
There's that old John Wayne quote, "Courage is being scared to death but saddling up anyways."
When this hopefully settles down, I hope she is able to realize her part in not only saving lives but people's loved ones.
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TheJones
I imagine you are trying to share the emotional burden to help your wife keep going.
Hope you are holding up too, that can be taxing and sometimes feel unappreciated.
This post was edited on 3/25/20 at 11:15 am
Posted on 3/25/20 at 12:45 pm to TheJones
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Our healthcare system cannot manage this disease unmitigated.
There are 60K cases in the USA with 800 deaths.
Compare that to this year's flu season of 40,000,000+ cases and 23,000-59,000 deaths. CDC 2019-2020 Flu Season
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There are millions of Americans that will need to seek medical care this year for non COVID19 related issues that might not have access to that care due to this virus.
FIFY. There's no way you can know this for sure.
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UAB is already diagnosing physicians, nurses, and staff with COVID19. They’re increasing their ICU space and converting surgical suites to care for patients and now colleagues. They’re begging people in Alabama to stay home. To stay away from friends and family for the time being.
There is nothing wrong with any of this as long as it's voluntary.
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My wife is scared every single day she goes to work. She cries in the middle of dinner.
Mine does too. Try sitting on hundred of thousands of dollars of inventory, not having any customers or employees then having your gov't forcibly close you down without compensating you.
Posted on 3/25/20 at 12:48 pm to Aubie Spr96
People comparing this to the flu is laughable. We are one month into this thing and testing is sorely lacking. If you can't listen to the health experts, who are saying this is worse than the flu, then you have some issues. I promise you are not smarter than them.
LINK
In one month we have more than 60K confirmed cases in the U.S..
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TOTAL CONFIRMED CASES
452,156
Active cases
318,568
Recovered cases
113,094
Fatal cases
20,494
LINK
In one month we have more than 60K confirmed cases in the U.S..
This post was edited on 3/25/20 at 12:54 pm
Posted on 3/25/20 at 12:56 pm to Aubie Spr96
I’m sorry that your wife is crying in the middle of dinner out of fear that thousands of dollars of inventory will kill her and her coworkers and that she’ll die alone surrounded by none of her friends and family.
We are all truly hurting here. Best wishes you and her
We are all truly hurting here. Best wishes you and her
Posted on 3/25/20 at 1:09 pm to TheJones
We may be bankrupt and destitute, but at least we will be alive. Amirite?!?
Posted on 3/25/20 at 1:15 pm to Aubie Spr96
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Aubie Spr96
I won’t respond to you again about this. We’re at clear odds here and there’s no path forward. Best for the thread that one of us moves on.
I sincerely wish the best for you, your family, and business. I can empathize with the situation you are in and I will keep you in my prayers going forward.
This post was edited on 3/25/20 at 1:59 pm
Posted on 3/25/20 at 1:17 pm to GenesChin
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I imagine you are trying to share the emotional burden to help your wife keep going.
Hope you are holding up too, that can be taxing and sometimes feel unappreciated.
Thanks bud. Honestly, I’m good. I’m literally doing more around the house than for work right now. Literally every household chore, cooking, and keeping up with our families.
We’re doing what everyone else is right now. Just trying to figure out how to get through all of this the best we can
Posted on 3/25/20 at 1:25 pm to TheJones
My feeling from following the numbers every day is that we’re a lot closer to the peak than most people think. (Or at least the people that think it’s months out at least). Still too early to know for sure obviously.
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