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re: "Wait'll Next Year!"
Posted on 12/7/20 at 11:45 am to AA7
Posted on 12/7/20 at 11:45 am to AA7
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Is this a legit quote?
He had to come back with something more positive after his quite about having a solid year with this years record. He got hammered for saying this from fans and supporters, bc it sounded like he was satisfied.
So he got these new quotes out there to let everyone know he still wants championships and next year could be "a special year".
Gus has said many things like this coming off a not so good year...
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Posted on 12/7/20 at 12:42 pm to AuSteeler
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and next year could be "a special year".
Too bad a "special year" for Gus is winning 9 games instead of his usual 8.
Posted on 12/7/20 at 12:57 pm to Luke
quote:I hope you mean Dec 21st and not Dec 2021.
It is... and we’re stuck with him like it or not till Dec 21
Posted on 12/7/20 at 1:25 pm to Luke
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It is... and we’re stuck with him like it or not till Dec 21...
The buyout situation actually isn't as drastic as its made out to be. Take a look at the actual calculation: his buyout is 75% of the remaining contract with half of that due within 30-days.
After 2020: 21.45 mill (buyout) = 10.7 mill after 30 days and 2.68 mill for 4 years.
After 2021: 7 mill (salary) + 16.2 mill (buyout)= 23.2 mill = 8.1 mill due in 30 days + 2.025 mill for 4 years.
So really, keeping him for all of next season only saves $2.6 mill upfront and ~$600K per year over 4 years. The remaining $2+ mill over 4 years in both scenarios is an easily budgeted amount.
The question is whether or not its financially beneficial for us to withstand another down year + recruiting hit to save ~$2.6 million. I don't see any scenario wherein its not worth it to just yank the bandaid off now. We have lots of boosters that can easily come up with that money; it legitimately is not an issue at all. The problem is that apathy has set in - and its fricking sad.
Posted on 12/7/20 at 9:09 pm to TailbackU
That is the most Mickey Mouse shite frick his stupid face
Posted on 12/8/20 at 2:18 am to metafour
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The buyout situation actually isn't as drastic as its made out to be. Take a look at the actual calculation: his buyout is 75% of the remaining contract with half of that due within 30-days.
After 2020: 21.45 mill (buyout) = 10.7 mill after 30 days and 2.68 mill for 4 years.
After 2021: 7 mill (salary) + 16.2 mill (buyout)= 23.2 mill = 8.1 mill due in 30 days + 2.025 mill for 4 years.
So really, keeping him for all of next season only saves $2.6 mill upfront and ~$600K per year over 4 years. The remaining $2+ mill over 4 years in both scenarios is an easily budgeted amount.
The question is whether or not its financially beneficial for us to withstand another down year + recruiting hit to save ~$2.6 million. I don't see any scenario wherein its not worth it to just yank the bandaid off now. We have lots of boosters that can easily come up with that money; it legitimately is not an issue at all. The problem is that apathy has set in - and its fricking sad.
You are forgetting about the rest of the staff and their buyouts. You also are forgetting about the new HC and his staff with their buyouts.
It will cost Auburn close to $20M before the new staff even has their contracts.
Our AD will lose millions upon millions this year.
Everybody wants Gus gone. Unless the money behind the scenes steps up, it is not happening this year...........no matter how much we bitch about it or try to rationalize it.
Posted on 12/8/20 at 5:40 am to MrAUTigers
Theoretically if Auburn can help the coaches land elsewhere such as Twill to USCe it could save money. It could also save money by retaining a few holdovers.
Auburn needs to look at the football revenue they secured in 2019. Add in alcohol sales. And then ask themselves is it possible that holding Gus will severely negatively affect revenue. Football is big business for Auburn.
Auburn needs to look at the football revenue they secured in 2019. Add in alcohol sales. And then ask themselves is it possible that holding Gus will severely negatively affect revenue. Football is big business for Auburn.
This post was edited on 12/8/20 at 6:14 am
Posted on 12/8/20 at 7:52 am to TailbackU
I can't even tell anymore if it's satire or not, lol...
What kind of crap comment is that? 8 years in, and our only way to make a run is if everyone else is having a down year? I mean, that's sure as hell what his comment sounds like to me.
What kind of crap comment is that? 8 years in, and our only way to make a run is if everyone else is having a down year? I mean, that's sure as hell what his comment sounds like to me.
Posted on 12/8/20 at 8:28 am to MrAUTigers
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You are forgetting about the rest of the staff and their buyouts. You also are forgetting about the new HC and his staff with their buyouts.
It will cost Auburn close to $20M before the new staff even has their contracts.
Our AD will lose millions upon millions this year.
Everybody wants Gus gone. Unless the money behind the scenes steps up, it is not happening this year...........no matter how much we bitch about it or try to rationalize it.
I'm not forgetting about anything. The rest of the staff will need to be bought out eventually anyway. An entirely new staff will also need to be hired anyway as well. The entire point is that we're talking as if its $100 million now versus $5 million after next year - when really - the amount of money you are theoretically saving by keeping a dead-man walking for another season is miniscule once you take into account the loss of goodwill and further damage to the program. You are talking about penny-pinching.
This buyout situation has absolutely nothing to do with the AD budget or how much money the AD has or hasn't lost. These sorts of payouts come almost exclusively from a separate fund that has nothing to do with AD performance. The vast majority of the ultra-wealthy (where this buyout would come from) have actually PROFITED from COVID, not lost money. Yet you have people on here talking as if this fund is coming from regular fans attending the games or not LMAO. All it takes is one ultra booster to change their mind, and Gus is out the door. The money is a non issue - the problem is that the people who normally take pride in our performance have become apathetic. However, the winds with regards to that can change in an instant.
Posted on 12/8/20 at 8:44 am to metafour
To say the money is a non issue is foolish. You can't go behind boosters and sign a guy for 50 MM, then ask them to buy him out without consequences. The money may be with a bank in digital form, but we will need to ask those same boosters for additional funds in the future, and should expect their input. There is no such thing as free money.
Posted on 12/8/20 at 8:56 am to AUCE05
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To say the money is a non issue is foolish. You can't go behind boosters and sign a guy for 50 MM, then ask them to buy him out without consequences. The money may be with a bank in digital form, but we will need to ask those same boosters for additional funds in the future, and should expect their input. There is no such thing as free money.
But thats the entire point.
You are arguing that he can't be fired now, but can be fired a year from now. Uhm - the monetary difference between those two options is a drop in the bucket for the people that actually pay it. You people talk as if Auburn football is a business built in someone's bedroom with money saved up from mowing lawns or something.
I'm not saying that we have an unlimited budget to do whatever we want; but this narrative about needing another year to fire him is nonsense. The reason why he looks kind of safe still as of now is because shockingly - some of these big-money people still have a glimmer of hope. They have also lost interest. Now - all of that shite can flip in an instant, and you already saw a bit of that flip when dumbo came out and said that this was a good season for us. It doesn't take much to fire a coach at a school like Auburn - a loss to MSU will change things quick.
Posted on 12/8/20 at 9:56 am to metafour
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"Wait'll Next Year
Plagiarism: My South Carolina friends have been saying that for many, many years.
To quote Lou Holtz, ""Sometimes the light at the end of the tunnel is an oncoming train."
Posted on 12/8/20 at 8:22 pm to TailbackU
My emotions after reading that.
This post was edited on 12/8/20 at 8:23 pm
Posted on 12/9/20 at 3:04 am to ChexMix
quote:Nah
I hate that man
I don't hate Gus.
I hate this untenable situation, where you can't get rid of a coach for simple lack of performance. Where it has to be gross negligence. And I hate a contract where even the coach can't leave when he wants.
Does Nick have such a contract? Hell no, he can walk any time he wants. And they'd love to tie him down instead of him holding all the cards. It makes things simply said and horribly plain for both sides. A buy out by another school is one thing, but this legal straight jack reeks of lost of institutional control. At least when it comes to negotiations.
So no, I don't hate Gus. He might even be a good guy, nice neighbor, and someone you could enjoy a drink with. I just hate that he's not gone and I hate his contract. And I hate the booster(s) and Jimmy Sexton who both played and financially strong armed this University.
Posted on 12/9/20 at 7:10 am to awestruck
Gus’ “special year” is 9-4 with a home win over a rival. Ground Hog Day!!
“Insanity is doing the same thing over and over again expecting a different outcome.”
“Insanity is doing the same thing over and over again expecting a different outcome.”
Posted on 12/9/20 at 8:25 am to awestruck
quote:I remember when Saban’s initial contract terms were announced. They were somewhere in the neighborhood of $30 million for 7 years, 100% guaranteed with no buyout if he walked for another job. Based on his previous history, I was convinced they would come to regret it.
Does Nick have such a contract? Hell no, he can walk any time he wants. And they'd love to tie him down instead of him holding all the cards. It makes things simply said and horribly plain for both sides.
But unlike Gustav, Saban had a plan, and a simple philosophy: outwork your opponents at all times, and accept nothing short of perfection. It only took him a single year to get the program to buy in, and now that ridiculously one-sided deal looks like genius.
So much so that AU - and many other big P5 programs, like LSU, TAMU, Texas and Michigan - have gotten the cause and effect reversed: “see, all we need to do is give our HC a deal like Saban’s and he’ll lead us to the promised land!” Of course Saban’s agent is there to convince them that it will work just that way (Pro Tip: It won’t)
Posted on 12/9/20 at 8:37 am to Fear The Thumb
The program is dead in the water continuing down this same trajectory. I’ve never had a lack of interest in Auburn football but it’s morphed from not attending a single game over the past three years to now not even caring enough to watch it in TV due to the predictability of game play. It’s a sad state of affairs when the university and program leadership have failed to the point of turning our loyal fan base / alumni into an indifferent sort.
This post was edited on 12/9/20 at 10:22 am
Posted on 12/9/20 at 10:07 am to awestruck
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So no, I don't hate Gus. He might even be a good guy, nice neighbor, and someone you could enjoy a drink with. I just hate that he's not gone and I hate his contract. And I hate the booster(s) and Jimmy Sexton who both played and financially strong armed this University.
I agree. It is not about hating Malzahn at all. It is about this BS trend of stupid contracts that make it so economically difficult to remove a coach for losing.
I always hoped Gus would really succeed and get to the next level. That window passed and it is difficult to now make the needed change because of stupid decisions leading to a stupid contract.
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