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Jason Caldwell on What Happened
Posted on 12/23/20 at 12:58 am
Posted on 12/23/20 at 12:58 am
He claims there were two huge lies floating around in the press during this.
1) AU never offered Napier. He said they definitely contacted Napier and were interested in talking. But AU never got to the point of saying "The job is yours."
2) AU did not offer Bill Clark or even contact him. No, Bill Clark called Auburn. Auburn wasn't interested and never considered him a serious candidate.
We will probably never know the truth because these guys will not talk about it. Napier is never gonna admit he wasn't offered (bad look for his resume) and AU would never admit if they did offer and he turned it down. So it's always gonna be a situation of who you ask. You will get different answers from Napier and AU. It's that way in every search at every school. People won't be honest in order to protect themselves.
That said, what does Napier have on his resume superior to Harsin? Seriously, what? Napier has been impressive at LA, yes, but it's only been 3 seasons. I think people look at the fact he was on Saban and Dabo's staff as some mark of credibility. First of all Dabo FIRED Napier as OC. Napier left and went to Saban as an analyst, then a WR coach. When the OC position came open, Saban passed over Napier and went with Kiff.
So, honestly, outside of some grandslam huge name hire, I think AU did pretty damn well.
1) AU never offered Napier. He said they definitely contacted Napier and were interested in talking. But AU never got to the point of saying "The job is yours."
2) AU did not offer Bill Clark or even contact him. No, Bill Clark called Auburn. Auburn wasn't interested and never considered him a serious candidate.
We will probably never know the truth because these guys will not talk about it. Napier is never gonna admit he wasn't offered (bad look for his resume) and AU would never admit if they did offer and he turned it down. So it's always gonna be a situation of who you ask. You will get different answers from Napier and AU. It's that way in every search at every school. People won't be honest in order to protect themselves.
That said, what does Napier have on his resume superior to Harsin? Seriously, what? Napier has been impressive at LA, yes, but it's only been 3 seasons. I think people look at the fact he was on Saban and Dabo's staff as some mark of credibility. First of all Dabo FIRED Napier as OC. Napier left and went to Saban as an analyst, then a WR coach. When the OC position came open, Saban passed over Napier and went with Kiff.
So, honestly, outside of some grandslam huge name hire, I think AU did pretty damn well.
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Posted on 12/23/20 at 1:05 am to AUstar
I 100% believe we were not interested in Clark. He is not qualified for AU and was wanting a resume boost.
ETA.
And some people owe Greene a damn apology
ETA.
And some people owe Greene a damn apology
This post was edited on 12/23/20 at 1:06 am
Posted on 12/23/20 at 3:21 am to AUCE05
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He is not qualified for AU
This is a bad take, especially if you thought Napier was qualified. Clark only lost to Napier this year by 4 with his backup QB in (who threw 0 TDs and 2 picks.) It probably wouldn't have even been close if Johnston played.
Posted on 12/23/20 at 4:07 am to BranTheHuman2
Does it even matter at this point? We got a coach in my opinion greater then Napier. Only the big name P5 guys that were probably unreasonable other then a few like possibly Gundy, Kiffin, etc we probably got the best of the G5 just no one looked his way from the fans because he was at his alma mater. But Greene obviously found his guy and got him here.
So whatever happened behind the scenes doesn’t matter. Move on and enjoy the ride. Just like with any coach at AU. I’m 100% all in until I’m 100% all out.
If we want true change we must get behind the coach as fans, give the support we want the rewards from, talk up our coach and how great he is and how great he will be at AU. It permeates outside of the program... we have seen it at Alabama and UGa recently and goes directly to results in recruiting. You win the recruiting battles then you win the battles on the field. Same thing happened with Bruce. So not trying to coin a phrase here but think you are gonna see a different type of player and different attitude. We will be extremely physical on both sides of the ball. So recruits come join the Triple Bs. Bryan’s Bad Boys!
So whatever happened behind the scenes doesn’t matter. Move on and enjoy the ride. Just like with any coach at AU. I’m 100% all in until I’m 100% all out.
If we want true change we must get behind the coach as fans, give the support we want the rewards from, talk up our coach and how great he is and how great he will be at AU. It permeates outside of the program... we have seen it at Alabama and UGa recently and goes directly to results in recruiting. You win the recruiting battles then you win the battles on the field. Same thing happened with Bruce. So not trying to coin a phrase here but think you are gonna see a different type of player and different attitude. We will be extremely physical on both sides of the ball. So recruits come join the Triple Bs. Bryan’s Bad Boys!
Posted on 12/23/20 at 6:01 am to CorchJay
It does matter to a degree... perception is reality... and these pay site rumor mongers went out of their way to spread what appears to be bullshite... that ‘information’ filtered down to the national talking heads who will parrot anything negative they hear about anyone.... the search had been going on for 5 damn days and you got guys like Bruce Feldman discussing how “crazy” this AU search has been.... based on what exactly?
It’s not going to happen, but every auburn fan should cancel their pay site memberships... and quit listening to shitstirer clowns like jhboy.
It’s not going to happen, but every auburn fan should cancel their pay site memberships... and quit listening to shitstirer clowns like jhboy.
Posted on 12/23/20 at 6:08 am to lowspark12
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It does matter to a degree... perception is reality... and these pay site rumor mongers went out of their way to spread what appears to be bullshite... that ‘information’ filtered down to the national talking heads who will parrot anything negative they hear about anyone.... the search had been going on for 5 damn days and you got guys like Bruce Feldman discussing how “crazy” this AU search has been.... based on what exactly?
fricking this
Posted on 12/23/20 at 6:22 am to lowspark12
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perception is reality... and these pay site rumor mongers went out of their way to spread what appears to be bullshite... that ‘information’ filtered down to the national talking heads who will parrot anything negative they hear about anyone.
Yep. Just take a look at Twitter to confirm this. Everyone out there who are just casual football fans really think Bill Clark turned Auburn down and are laughing at Auburn thinking we whiffed on 10 guys to land on Harsin.
This post was edited on 12/23/20 at 6:23 am
Posted on 12/23/20 at 6:47 am to AUCE05
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He is not qualified for AU and was wanting a resume boost.
I agree with this, and am certainly glad we didn't consider him a serious candidate.
But I will say this, there's been alot of dick suck going on for Bill Clark on this board in the past. Not sure why...
Posted on 12/23/20 at 6:52 am to AUstar
Yeah frick all those paysites and people spreading bullshite. The amount of people turning us down lolol. Yeah frick YOU. Knew it was lies.
Posted on 12/23/20 at 6:53 am to IAmNERD
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Everyone out there who are just casual football fans really think Bill Clark turned Auburn down and are laughing at Auburn thinking we whiffed on 10 guys to land on Harsin.
If Harsin beats their teams' asses, they won't be laughing. He has the opportunity to shut people up. We laughed at Eddie O getting hired. I quit laughing after he beat Auburn 3 years in a row. I shook my head at thUGA having to hire a coordinator. I'm not questioning that anymore.
Posted on 12/23/20 at 7:12 am to AUstar
Either Jason is lying, or the AUC guys, etc. were selling us on a series events that were completely off in all major details (other than general interest).
Given that Hoke took pretty direct shots at PM, and that even Jay Gogue took a shot in his statement, I'm going to guess Jason's account is the accurate one. He is much more reliable than all of these guys anyway.
Given that Hoke took pretty direct shots at PM, and that even Jay Gogue took a shot in his statement, I'm going to guess Jason's account is the accurate one. He is much more reliable than all of these guys anyway.
Posted on 12/23/20 at 7:42 am to lowspark12
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It’s not going to happen, but every auburn fan should cancel their pay site memberships... and quit listening to shitstirer clowns like jhboy.
I agree.
What seems to have happened at this point is...we approached Mario knowing it was a long shot and he used it to get a raise. Then we locked down Harsin.
So we made a Power 5 coach say no and then went and got a generally accepted good next tier coach. The Auburn AD is a circus I guess.
Posted on 12/23/20 at 7:53 am to CorchJay
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So whatever happened behind the scenes doesn’t matter. Move on and enjoy the ride.
We will enjoy the ride, but #stopsteele did happen because of what appears to be straight lies from beat writers and paysites.
Posted on 12/23/20 at 7:54 am to Tigerman97
The Kevin Steele stuff actually happened. I think that the "misinformation" that was coming out was driven to try to back Steele into the job by creating the narrative that we were "missing" on all these candidates, as well as by scaring real candidates away with the power-dynamics at play (ie: "so and so was worried about who they'd be reporting to at Auburn and turned the job down"). Alan Greene did his fricking job and went and got a guy - and for the first time in forever - a guy that had no connections to this program or the people already here.
I think that we DID miss on Cristobal and absolutely had him for the taking. Oregon backing into the PAC12 title game and the Steele shitshow killed that deal; and had we came into this coaching search without the extracurricular stuff going on he would have been the guy. Its whatever at this point and Harsin is definitely a move in the right direction.
I think that we DID miss on Cristobal and absolutely had him for the taking. Oregon backing into the PAC12 title game and the Steele shitshow killed that deal; and had we came into this coaching search without the extracurricular stuff going on he would have been the guy. Its whatever at this point and Harsin is definitely a move in the right direction.
Posted on 12/23/20 at 7:55 am to Pettifogger
Just look at the Cam Newton coverage by the "sports journalists" and internet trolls (blue tuna).
If I post something and it is read by some news hack it usually says, " there are reports that Auburn pays a zillion dollars for players". Then another hack writes other news outlets are saying,"blah blah blah." Then guys like Finebaum quote these reports
AD NAUSEUM Thus, the chicken or the egg. Which came first"
If I post something and it is read by some news hack it usually says, " there are reports that Auburn pays a zillion dollars for players". Then another hack writes other news outlets are saying,"blah blah blah." Then guys like Finebaum quote these reports
AD NAUSEUM Thus, the chicken or the egg. Which came first"
Posted on 12/23/20 at 7:57 am to metafour
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The Kevin Steele stuff actually happened.
Everyone is entitled to their own opinion but my judgment is that it didn't.
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I think that we DID miss on Cristobal and absolutely had him for the taking.
Again, I agree we probably tried to get him. However, history will tell you when Auburn tries to get a similar Power 5 coach it always ends in a raise for said coach. I am glad we tried though. I don't care that he used us for his own benefit. IMO he was never ours for the taking. It just doesn't make much sense for him.
Posted on 12/23/20 at 8:08 am to Tigerman97
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Everyone is entitled to their own opinion but my judgment is that it didn't.
It happened. Who in their right mind would tarnish Kevin Steele of all people like that for no reason? If you look at the history of coaching hires at Auburn by these people, Kevin Steele being buttered in as the successor follows the playbook to a tee. He was approached prior to Malzahn even being let go and told to assemble a staff *wink wink*. Also, Rodney Garner is a fricking slimeball and he better not be back.
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Again, I agree we probably tried to get him. However, history will tell you when Auburn tries to get a similar Power 5 coach it always ends in a raise for said coach. I am glad we tried though. I don't care that he used us for his own benefit. IMO he was never ours for the taking. It just doesn't make much sense for him.
We just got a guy to walk away from his alma-mater wherein he basically had a lifetime contract in an "easy conference" and we're still questioning why a guy from South Florida who wants to play big-boy football would be interested in leaving Oregon? Mario Cristobal was there and we fricked it up. Its okay, but he WAS there.
Posted on 12/23/20 at 8:13 am to metafour
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Mario Cristobal was there and we fricked it up.
I don't see how you can say we fricked it up. Seems what happened was he got a raise. They had been trying to get a deal done before covid struck and they froze all raises at Oregon.
More than likely what happened was MC told Oregon to get their arse in gear on that extension or he starts fielding calls from other schools. They got it done, so he stayed put.
Posted on 12/23/20 at 8:19 am to lowspark12
who is this jhboy?
Posted on 12/23/20 at 8:28 am to AUstar
I really don’t care.
I’m good with Harsin and feel Greene did a good job. No one had a clue Harsin was in the mix. Good for Greene.
I’m good with Harsin and feel Greene did a good job. No one had a clue Harsin was in the mix. Good for Greene.
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