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re: It's on Bruce
Posted on 3/9/23 at 9:06 pm to auburnnyc94
Posted on 3/9/23 at 9:06 pm to auburnnyc94
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I feel like this is a thinly veiled attempt to get revenge on the other side of the Gus arguments you used to make haha which by the way I was on your side for most of those. The issue is that Bruce is far superior to Gus
I feel this is 100% true.
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Posted on 3/9/23 at 9:07 pm to Smoke7024
We had some roster misses. There was really no indication Traore and Westry would give us nothing, especially after Israel.
Posted on 3/10/23 at 11:28 am to jsmoove
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Good god, have a sip. Covid happened, LaVar Ball and everything else happened, and we made some mistakes recruiting-wise that will fix itself especially now that Bruce doesn't have to be an angel. Sick of these these dudes that didn't care before suddenly talking garbage about this staff like it's football. If they go elsewhere, and we go back to sucking, guess who will stop caring again?
It's amazing that a basic discussion about something you follow will turn some of you into emotional little girls. So if I dont agree with your take, I should just GTFO?
Bruce has basically failed in post season play since he as been at Auburn. Please show me I am wrong. How many one and done? If I remember well, there were at least 3 when we were the #1 team.. Only once have we gotten passed the 2nd round of the NCAA tourney. Beaten by teams that we were better than.
It's just a statement. Maybe all the sudden we will start to do better but at this part, the post season with Bruce has not been good. How long has he been here? 7-8 years now? And dont give me that covid shite. It's how I know you are just protecting. Every team went through the same protocol.
He is a very good recruiting and team assembler. But as far as post season. So far his teams have failed. Let's how he can fix that.
Posted on 3/10/23 at 11:38 am to LanierSpots
32 teams go to the NCAA tourney every year and lose in the first round. We haven't done that yet. That's why Bruce doesn't have a one and done reputation at all for any of us.
You could make a case he is boom or bust in the SEC tourney because we have 5 1 and done's and 2 overwhelming successes and then another good team that didn't get a chance to play in one. 1 championship in 7 chances is a great success rate in the SEC tourney format so most of us aren't too hung up on it. A couple of those tourneys we beat teams we shouldn't have beat and a couple of those we lost to teams we shouldn't have lost to.
And the final 4 run and lack of first round loss in the tourney weighs heavily in Bruce's favor. Calipari/Barnes/Oats/Muss would all trade their last 5 postseasons for Bruce's. Lets see how next week goes too!
You could make a case he is boom or bust in the SEC tourney because we have 5 1 and done's and 2 overwhelming successes and then another good team that didn't get a chance to play in one. 1 championship in 7 chances is a great success rate in the SEC tourney format so most of us aren't too hung up on it. A couple of those tourneys we beat teams we shouldn't have beat and a couple of those we lost to teams we shouldn't have lost to.
And the final 4 run and lack of first round loss in the tourney weighs heavily in Bruce's favor. Calipari/Barnes/Oats/Muss would all trade their last 5 postseasons for Bruce's. Lets see how next week goes too!
This post was edited on 3/10/23 at 11:43 am
Posted on 3/10/23 at 11:57 am to auburnnyc94
Other than the one magical season, we have been to the tournament 2 times under Bruce with two wins. One each year. Then
We were a #2 who lost to a #10 and we were a #4 who lost to a #5
Meanwhile in the SEC Tournament, we have totally under performed.
So you are still using the "We are doing better than than other coaches", not us playing up to our potential for the teams he has fielded. Which is my basic point. He has fielded some very good teams that have totally under performed post season
We were a #2 who lost to a #10 and we were a #4 who lost to a #5
Meanwhile in the SEC Tournament, we have totally under performed.
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And the final 4 run and lack of first round loss in the tourney weighs heavily in Bruce's favor. Calipari/Barnes/Oats/Muss would all trade their last 5 postseasons for Bruce's. Lets see how next week goes too!
So you are still using the "We are doing better than than other coaches", not us playing up to our potential for the teams he has fielded. Which is my basic point. He has fielded some very good teams that have totally under performed post season
Posted on 3/10/23 at 12:28 pm to LanierSpots
3 times. You can’t not count the year covid cancelled the tournament. You guys don’t understand how hard the tournament is. The second winningest coach in NCAA history and hall of famer Jim Boeheim coached Syracuse for 47 years. He won 1 national championship and made 5 finals fours. In a 47 year hall of fame career. Winning in basketball is hard. We’ve made the tournament 5 out of the last 6 years and have always one and least a game. That’s the best run in Auburn basketball history. We’ve also been the winningest team in the SEC over the last 6 years too. Y’all need to chill.
Posted on 3/10/23 at 2:21 pm to LanierSpots
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So you are still using the "We are doing better than than other coaches", not us playing up to our potential for the teams he has fielded. Which is my basic point. He has fielded some very good teams that have totally under performed post season
Yes, because that's just not really how this sport works. In basketball, a teams seed is informed by the whole season of work, not necessarily how a team is playing at a given moment. After McLemore went down in 2018, we just weren't a very good basketball team at all. We had no depth thanks to Person getting Purifoy and Wiley suspended for the year and McLemore was a key to that team especially defensively.
Last years loss to Miami disappointed me for sure but that's the nature of the game. There will be some disappointing losses for every coach and every school.
But yeah, as long as Bruce has our program getting to the tourney, competing for conference titles, and not just losing in the first round of the NCAA's every year I'm gonna be pretty happy personally. I would also like to have one deep run every 5 or so years. Maybe if we had another sweet 16 at this point you would feel better, perhaps 2020 would have been that team? Idk. Our postseason issues these last two season all boil down to our current roster, which I think we are about to improve significantly.
At the end of the day you can criticize anything in the world.. but he has us beating our main competitors (best conference record in the last 6 years, only final 4 since 2017), and is far outperforming Auburn historically. It's been a job very well done and the '24 recruiting class + Aden Holloway has me excited for the future.
Posted on 3/10/23 at 2:56 pm to auburnnyc94
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Yes, because that's just not really how this sport works. In basketball, a teams seed is informed by the whole season of work, not necessarily how a team is playing at a given moment.
I understand that and I agree. Maybe we need to find out why our highly ranked teams are consistently not being strong at the end of the season when the SEC and NCAA tournament comes in.
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We had no depth thanks to Person getting Purifoy and Wiley suspended for the year and McLemore was a key to that team especially defensively.
Agree but that was under Bruce's watch.
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But yeah, as long as Bruce has our program getting to the tourney, competing for conference titles, and not just losing in the first round of the NCAA's every year I'm gonna be pretty happy personally.
I get that and somewhat agree but I have found that there will be people who want to move the program forward, not just sit at the same place we are and have been for a few years.
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At the end of the day you can criticize anything in the world.. but he has us beating our main competitors (best conference record in the last 6 years, only final 4 since 2017), and is far outperforming Auburn historically. It's been a job very well done and the '24 recruiting class + Aden Holloway has me excited for the future.
I am not critizing Bruce or the team. I love the guy but I stand by my statement that the program has underachieved in the SEC and NNAA tournament overall lately. We have fielded some very good teams that have been ranked fairly high most of the season to have them bomb in the SEC tournament and make very little ground in the NCAA.
We can make up excuses all we want but every program faces the same thing that Auburn faces. It part of the gig. And it's not like Pearl just arrived on the scene here. He has been getting some amazing talent here which should raise our expectations more than just being happy being there.
Posted on 3/10/23 at 4:10 pm to LanierSpots
I know I post some dumb shite on here but this entire thread is just ignorant.
Yes our expectations should be raised since we do have a very good coach. Yes we may have missed on some roster management.
But my goodness we are the Vandy football of basketball in the conference.
I trust Bruce. Period
Yes our expectations should be raised since we do have a very good coach. Yes we may have missed on some roster management.
But my goodness we are the Vandy football of basketball in the conference.
I trust Bruce. Period
Posted on 3/10/23 at 4:12 pm to LanierSpots
I think it would be helpful for all of us to realize that the SEC tournament really doesn't mean anything at all. It's nice to win it, but if you don't, you might as well dip on out as early as possible.
This post was edited on 3/10/23 at 4:13 pm
Posted on 3/10/23 at 4:22 pm to Smoke7024
Yeah like don’t get me wrong, I’d loved to have won yesterday, but certainly not the barometer with which I would evaluate a coaches performance. Ranks behind the regular season and NCAAT
Posted on 3/10/23 at 4:24 pm to Smoke7024
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I think it would be helpful for all of us to realize that the SEC tournament really doesn't mean anything at all
I wouldn’t say it doesn’t mean anything. It certainly means something and teams want to win it. No one is throwing games to get an early exit for rest. But you are correct that it doesn’t mean anything close to the NCAA tournament and if you don’t win it then it was all a waste of time and energy.
Posted on 3/10/23 at 4:27 pm to AA7
I should clarify. You want to win the whole thing, but it doesn't really mean anything as far as NCAA tournament seeding goes. If you're not first, you're last truly applies to the SECT IMO.
Posted on 3/10/23 at 4:29 pm to Smoke7024
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You want to win the whole thing, but it doesn't really mean anything as far as NCAA tournament seeding goes.
For sure
Posted on 3/10/23 at 4:38 pm to AA7
4RnR A little down time would do anyone good after this stretch of games. Stitched chins and banged ankles immediately come to mind.
Posted on 3/10/23 at 4:57 pm to Smoke7024
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I should clarify. You want to win the whole thing, but it doesn't really mean anything as far as NCAA tournament seeding goes. If you're not first, you're last truly applies to the SECT IMO.
I think that seems to be the consensus. Now if we were winning it very often, it would then be important. LOL. And I get it. It may not mean anything to a lot of us but we are still underperforming in them. It does not change that FACT'
Lets hope we can get past the second round in the NCAA this year. Move forward.
Posted on 3/10/23 at 5:05 pm to LanierSpots
Posted on 3/10/23 at 5:14 pm to jsmoove
Turned that movie on this morning at about 3am and it was on that exact scene. 
Posted on 3/10/23 at 5:30 pm to LanierSpots
I love you bro but you are trolling and it’s obvious. It would be one thing if Auburn was a traditional power in basketball. We are not. And we were not relevant for a while until Bruce came along. You can complain and troll all you want, but the fact of the matter is Bruce is doing a good job with all things considered. We are a tourney team this year on a down year. Something that was hard pressed for over a decade. Yeah we got some issues on the team, but ultimately it is what is and I’m not upset about it. We are competitive enough to get into the NCAA tourney.
Posted on 3/10/23 at 5:38 pm to AUtigerNOLA
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Bruce is doing a good job with all things considered.
he is and I love him
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I love you bro but you are trolling and it’s obvious
Not really. So do you not agree that our performance compared to the talent Bruce has brought in is bad in Post season under Bruce. Meaning SEC Tournament and NCAA Tournament other than the one magical season?
That has been my only statement. I have stated he has rebuilt the program and I am all in on him. But, the results post season are not there for the teams he has fielded
You dont agree with that?
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