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Harsin is processing the wheat from the chaff
Posted on 7/26/21 at 8:50 pm
Posted on 7/26/21 at 8:50 pm
From the press conference at Media Days and the kids who've "decided" to leave, it's obvious that we had a bunch of soft kids. Whether they were soft due to Gus is not important. Getting rid if them is.
I supported Gus, and in a way still do, but if kids are leaving because it's harder now, good riddance.
I supported Gus, and in a way still do, but if kids are leaving because it's harder now, good riddance.
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Posted on 7/26/21 at 8:52 pm to borotiger
Handy committed to Liberty today 
Edit: Hardy
Edit: Hardy
This post was edited on 7/26/21 at 9:51 pm
Posted on 7/26/21 at 8:54 pm to TheJones
Hardy did and below is what Harsin said about him,and others, prior to the A Day game.
Hardy was soft and shown the door.
4* transferring to Liberty tells me he was soft and other schools knew it as well.
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First-year coach Bryan Harsin said at the time that the absence of Hardy and other players were for “various reasons,” adding that they “just weren’t a part of what we were doing today. Those things happen. As we move into the next phase, those things will be revisited. And then we’ll get in the summer and we’ll have new players coming in. Then we’ll go from there.”
Hardy was soft and shown the door.
4* transferring to Liberty tells me he was soft and other schools knew it as well.
This post was edited on 7/26/21 at 9:49 pm
Posted on 7/26/21 at 9:10 pm to borotiger
I’m all good with processing, but you better be able to bring in their replacement. I like what Harsin is doing. The recruiting right now is worrisome though.
Posted on 7/26/21 at 9:31 pm to jvilletiger25
Every coaching change results in some exodus of players who are not willing to buy in and follow the new leadership.
It is what it is.
It is what it is.
Posted on 7/26/21 at 9:50 pm to jvilletiger25
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The recruiting right now is worrisome though.
Missing Gus already?
I kid.
Sorta.
Posted on 7/26/21 at 9:59 pm to borotiger
He's the reason we are in this position.
Posted on 7/26/21 at 10:22 pm to HailToTheChiz
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He's the reason we are in this position.
Not recruiting position he's not.
He lost out on the OL due to his scheme and McDonald's bags but he always recruited well.
I don't dislike the change but Gus could recruit.
Don't get me wrong, I like Harsin running off kids that won't put in the effort but, other than the OL (4* switched to UGA on singing day. 5* took the Happy Meal on signing day) he did pretty well recruiting.
I hate to say it but maybe he was not dirty enough in recruiting.
Posted on 7/26/21 at 11:05 pm to borotiger
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Missing Gus already?
Posted on 7/26/21 at 11:41 pm to borotiger
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I don't dislike the change but Gus could recruit.
and Chiz's classes were always highly ranked. When he left we didn't have a decent LB on the roster. We had more holes, at other position groups, than swiss cheese.
Posted on 7/27/21 at 5:50 am to borotiger
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I don't dislike the change but Gus could recruit
He could. His classes were always highly ranked, but it was very misleading. For whatever reason, he could recruit 4 star WRs like nobody’s business. We always had a good haul of them. They padded our recruiting numbers and made us look better than we were. In my opinion, he recruited stars to pad his classes, but didn’t get all of the pieces that he needed. He whiffed on O Line badly.
This post was edited on 7/27/21 at 5:51 am
Posted on 7/27/21 at 6:01 am to Placekicker
Gus sucked at roster management.
Posted on 7/27/21 at 7:35 am to borotiger
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Not recruiting position he's not.
We actually are. What was the 2020 class rank before Harsin? Not even top 40.
Gus had high ranked classes but they were often skewed by overrated players.
Posted on 7/27/21 at 7:44 am to borotiger
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Missing Gus already?
Hell to the no! I'm just hoping that Harsin can be somewhere between Tubs' gameday coaching and Chizik's recruiting.
Posted on 7/27/21 at 8:50 am to borotiger
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I don't dislike the change but Gus could recruit.
He failed at the most basic concept of recruiting: roster management and understanding his own scheme/needs and bringing in the actual players to fill that scheme. So no, he really couldn't "recruit" too well - otherwise where were the wins? The talent? Why was he fired - bad luck? Some of you don't even seem to understand what the actual "point" of recruiting is.
Furthermore, if he could recruit as well as some on here like to claim - why did Harsin walk in here with a 2021 class that was basically dead in the water? Didn't Gus have years to recruit 2021 kids? How come we didn't even have a RB committed, despite his offense literally being dependent on force-feeding the ball to RB's?
This post was edited on 7/27/21 at 8:51 am
Posted on 7/27/21 at 11:28 am to metafour
Agreed, I won’t say stars don’t matter because they do, but roster management, talent evaluation, and coaching ‘em up is exponentially more important than stars in my opinion. Would love to have all the above but give me the last 3 with the right kids and I think we can go toe to toe with anyone.
Posted on 7/27/21 at 1:10 pm to borotiger
Hopefully Harsin is using a hard nosed, set the standard, build the culture approach with the very near term goal of using the early payoff from that to move to a higher recruiting level.
Meaning, ok, we won 7-8 games this year with a good-not-elite talent roster in the hardest division in football, and we hung with the elite teams and nobody wanted to play us at the end of the year. What we need to take the next step is you, Mr. 4/5 star guy otherwise going to UGA, etc.
Meaning, ok, we won 7-8 games this year with a good-not-elite talent roster in the hardest division in football, and we hung with the elite teams and nobody wanted to play us at the end of the year. What we need to take the next step is you, Mr. 4/5 star guy otherwise going to UGA, etc.
Posted on 7/28/21 at 10:58 am to HailToTheChiz
I can't understand anyone blaming Harsin on this recruiting class. 2022, will pan out after they see how our season is going, and how well qb play and RB play is.... Or isn't
Posted on 7/28/21 at 8:35 pm to EagleEye99
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Agreed, I won’t say stars don’t matter because they do, but roster management, talent evaluation, and coaching ‘em up is exponentially more important than stars in my opinion
Just take Calvin Ashley for example. The highest rated OL Gus ever got to sign. He comes in massively overweight, never really gets it under control, starts only a few games due to emergency, and washes out.
That whole '17 class is a microcosm of Gus' recruiting strategy. It was kind of all over the place with solid 4star guys in there, rated in the top 10 (was his 4th top ten in a row, I believe), but a lot of them didn't really make sense and never really panned out. Stidham, KJ, and Iggy are the only highly rated guys in that class that really did anything worth mentioning while at Auburn (off the top of my head). Even the Iggy fits what I'm trying to get across his roster management. We had one of the most athletic guys in that class signed and had to move him to defense due to poor DB recruiting in the years leading up to that. That's fine if that was the plan was to bring him in as a DB since he was a 4 star ATH. But we all know it wasn't because he didn't play defense his freshman year. Iggy had to move and we had to take a chance on a guy with a giant medical question in Jamel Dean.
We seemed to always be in scramble mode at several positions.
Posted on 7/28/21 at 11:05 pm to borotiger
Not quite sure where to ask this, but Dukes tweeted out something about tomorrow being a big day for the new Auburn culture. Best I can tell tomorrow is the last day of running the stands at JH, but there also seems to be some sort of AU football alumni event going on or something? And also some recruits on campus ... Anyone know what's going on?
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