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Posted on 10/1/25 at 4:24 pm to RandySavage
Posted on 10/1/25 at 4:24 pm to RandySavage
"Supremely mediocre" would definitely be an improvement over what's been in the field last 4-6 yrs.
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Posted on 10/1/25 at 4:36 pm to Jmcc64
Average QBs could work but the system has to be a well-oiled machine and in line with the QB's strengths.
Asking average QBs to ovecome too much is asking for a breakdown. We have seen a few QBs the last 6 years never pan out, but one did after leaving Auburn.
There was nothing special about the Arizona State QB last fall, but he fit what the team needed. There is nothing special about Ty Simpson this year. He just fits the system. There are a dime a dozen qbs that look like they know what they are doing compared to Auburn. We could go down the list and go wow we really fricked up. Luke Altmyer could have been our guy!
Asking average QBs to ovecome too much is asking for a breakdown. We have seen a few QBs the last 6 years never pan out, but one did after leaving Auburn.
There was nothing special about the Arizona State QB last fall, but he fit what the team needed. There is nothing special about Ty Simpson this year. He just fits the system. There are a dime a dozen qbs that look like they know what they are doing compared to Auburn. We could go down the list and go wow we really fricked up. Luke Altmyer could have been our guy!
Posted on 10/1/25 at 4:48 pm to jangalang
It all starts and ends with the coaching and always has been this way. When you have a good to great HC and a good to great OC and they are both lock-step in unison, then your offense will work and the QB will look good. Its not about spending 'X' money on 'Y' because this accomplishes nothing if your coaching is inherently poor, which we are seeing under this Hugh Freeze regime.
The 2013 OL at Auburn that steam-rolled through everyone had largely the same players that were on the 2012 team that went 3-9 in Chizik's final year and couldn't do anything. Sure, they were a year younger in 2012, but its not like we brought in "better players" across the board in 2013. So when you look at Xavier Chaplin who was legitimately good in every season prior to this one, but now looks unplayable...what? He all of a sudden sucks? The entire OL has regressed, which can only be coaching.
The 2013 OL at Auburn that steam-rolled through everyone had largely the same players that were on the 2012 team that went 3-9 in Chizik's final year and couldn't do anything. Sure, they were a year younger in 2012, but its not like we brought in "better players" across the board in 2013. So when you look at Xavier Chaplin who was legitimately good in every season prior to this one, but now looks unplayable...what? He all of a sudden sucks? The entire OL has regressed, which can only be coaching.
Posted on 10/1/25 at 5:04 pm to jangalang
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Average QBs could work but the system has to be a well-oiled machine and in line with the QB's strengths
Yeah, I dont think this version of Hugh's offense (or whatever the hell it is we run) can work in today's game without elite talent nearly everywhere. The OL scheme is rudimentary according to some. The run game is nonexistent and the routes are not creative and are sometimes detrimental when we have 2 or 3 guys that end up in the same space.
Posted on 10/1/25 at 5:13 pm to AUTubaHerd
I also found it interesting that he pointed out that the transfers on the OL seem to be regressing based on penalties accrued here vs their previous stop.....
Posted on 10/1/25 at 5:14 pm to RandySavage
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In college we've seen Bama and UGA win plenty of titles with supremely mediocre talent at QB. Ohio State too.
You have to rack up top 3 recruiting classes YoY like them too. And supremely mediocre? Their QBs have been way better than what we’ve had.
Posted on 10/1/25 at 5:31 pm to wareaglepete
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Their QBs have been way better than what we’ve had.
Bama had QBs finish 1, 2, 2, 3 in the Heisman in the Saban era.
This post was edited on 10/1/25 at 5:35 pm
Posted on 10/1/25 at 5:52 pm to aubiecat
Bama and UGA have had QBs that didn't make much impact in the NFL but they've all been pretty damn good in college in the Saban/Kirby era
Posted on 10/1/25 at 6:40 pm to RandySavage
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Now I'm not sure how it applies to a school like Auburn where we aren't going to stack 5*s at every position and we may need to Cam Newton to mask deficiencies elsewhere.
Exactly. Name me the last time Auburn had a big season without great QB play?
Posted on 10/1/25 at 6:47 pm to aubiecat
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Bama had QBs finish 1, 2, 2, 3 in the Heisman in the Saban era.
Pretty sure Randy was talking about the Mcleroy types.
Posted on 10/1/25 at 6:49 pm to jvilletiger25
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Exactly. Name me the last time Auburn had a big season without great QB play?
What is "great" QB play?
Jarrett Stidham was 39th in QBR in 2017.
Brandon Cox was very average statistically in 2006 when they won 11 games.
Posted on 10/1/25 at 7:04 pm to wareaglepete
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You have to rack up top 3 recruiting classes YoY like them too
Agreed, and I said as much. I don't know that that is even possible for Auburn but I was just replying to the notion you have to have the star QB which has proven false in certain situations.
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And supremely mediocre? Their QBs have been way better than what we’ve had.
We definitely have had several guys who just weren't good enough to be playing at this level no doubt but Bo Nix was as good as any QB that won a title at Bama outside possibly Bryce Young and he proved it when he went to a functioning team. He was far superior to McElroy, Coker, and McCarron. Hurts and Tua probably a tossup. Jarrett Stidham pretty much was a McCarron type player and would have had similar success had he been coached by Bama coaches and surrounded by Bama talent.
Posted on 10/1/25 at 7:05 pm to aubiecat
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Bama had QBs finish 1, 2, 2, 3 in the Heisman in the Saban era.
This kind of proves my point.
Blake freaking Sims had almost 4,000 total yards and 35 TDs starting at Alabama. He would have looked like Johnathan Wallace if he was starting at Auburn a lot of these years.
This post was edited on 10/1/25 at 7:08 pm
Posted on 10/1/25 at 7:17 pm to metafour
quote:Tubs fired Franklin mid-season. Why Thornton is still employed with the heralded talent he has, is a giant mystery...........oh wait, Freeze couldn't carry Tub's jock strap.
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Posted on 10/1/25 at 7:36 pm to AUCE05
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All of our WR/QB money needs to go to the lines. I am convinced you make those solid, and take experienced skill positions in the portal
And find a kid whose main attribute is how he can process quickly at the QB position and let him make decisions. Jackson can’t process info fast enough. Ashton Daniel seems to fit that mold better. He’s a Stanford grad for God sakes.
Posted on 10/1/25 at 8:32 pm to greygoose
Ah I remember how mad people were at tubbs every year for duck hunting and not recruiting lol I think there would still be complaining if we had never FIRED tubberville.
Posted on 10/1/25 at 11:38 pm to jvilletiger25
Kent Austin & Ben A should’ve never been hired in the first place. Austin wouldn’t be on a P4 staff if it wasn’t for Hugh.
Thornton should’ve been fired after year 1, he’ll look at the bad recruits he currently has committed.
Nix is fine as a RBs coach but why the hell did he need to be a Co-OC?
The offensive staff is just so so so bad. Easily the worst in the SEC.
Thornton should’ve been fired after year 1, he’ll look at the bad recruits he currently has committed.
Nix is fine as a RBs coach but why the hell did he need to be a Co-OC?
The offensive staff is just so so so bad. Easily the worst in the SEC.
Posted on 10/1/25 at 11:50 pm to AUcs13
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Nix is fine as a RBs coach but why the hell did he need to be a Co-OC?
That was literally the only way he could get out of his Ole Miss contract and be hired. He had to be OC and a play caller. Now a better question would be why did we go to so much effort and hoops to hire a guy that is solid but not that amazing.
Posted on 10/2/25 at 6:28 am to metafour
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Jarrett Stidham was 39th in QBR in 2017.
Lost 4 games that year, not great.
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Brandon Cox was very average statistically in 2006 when they won 11 games.
No championship that year either.
Posted on 10/2/25 at 9:17 am to jvilletiger25
Ok, well then you need to be a little more clear on what constitutes a "big season" then.
2017 was a season wherein they played for the SEC Championship. They played UGA for the second week in a row and Malzahn tried running the same game plan over again, while UGA came with changes that we weren't ready for, hence we lost. This was a coaching loss, not a "our QB wasn't good enough" loss. They followed that up with another coaching stinker against a much less talented UCF team in the Bowl game. Again, we didn't lose to UCF because our QB wasn't good enough. Don't be silly.
The 2006 Auburn team ultimately choked as Tuberville tended to do, and Arkansas somehow managed to play a near-perfect regular season which won them the spot in the SEC Championship title. Arkansas ended up losing 3 straight games to end the season, and we ended up ranked higher than them in the final polls with a Top 10 final ranking in both the AP and Coaches poll. Both of our losses that season were blowout losses, so they can't just be thrown at the feet of the QB. The defense gave up 37 points to UGA, and they gave up 27 points to Arkansas.
2017 was a season wherein they played for the SEC Championship. They played UGA for the second week in a row and Malzahn tried running the same game plan over again, while UGA came with changes that we weren't ready for, hence we lost. This was a coaching loss, not a "our QB wasn't good enough" loss. They followed that up with another coaching stinker against a much less talented UCF team in the Bowl game. Again, we didn't lose to UCF because our QB wasn't good enough. Don't be silly.
The 2006 Auburn team ultimately choked as Tuberville tended to do, and Arkansas somehow managed to play a near-perfect regular season which won them the spot in the SEC Championship title. Arkansas ended up losing 3 straight games to end the season, and we ended up ranked higher than them in the final polls with a Top 10 final ranking in both the AP and Coaches poll. Both of our losses that season were blowout losses, so they can't just be thrown at the feet of the QB. The defense gave up 37 points to UGA, and they gave up 27 points to Arkansas.
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