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Posted on 10/17/20 at 3:31 pm to CorchJay
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You’ll see. Just got to set his feet and all the ailments are gone. He either nuts up and the coaches stop allowing the sandlot football with him or they don’t. He’s much more talented then Stidham. Bo is generally not a turnover machine like he was today. That’s an outlier in my opinion but I understand the frustration.
Just stand in the pocket run when you have to not when you think you need to. Sure you might get sacked 3-4 times a game. Big deal so does everyone else.
I’ll repeat if he stays in the pocket every thing gets much better accuracy, completion percentage, ball protection.
But he has to be told it’s an issue. Not be ok with it continue to happen as it appears the coaches have allowed.
WRs were getting open today. This is all on Bo and trying to do to much.
This just sounds like you're pointing out all of his flaws and saying that if he fixes them, he'll be a good QB. This can be done for any QB.
The point is, Bo is going to roll right out of the pocket and throw on the run. It's who he is, and if you think Gus or Chad are going to fix it, then you're wrong.
Posted on 10/17/20 at 3:35 pm to AUNashville
No some QBs just don’t have the talent. Bo has the talent just needs to calm the frick down and play football. He probably has great mechanics when he does the things he should be doing. It’s on him to do them but also on the coaches to hold him accountable when he doesn’t not just continue to allow it
Posted on 10/17/20 at 3:38 pm to CorchJay
The 3rd INT I’m not sure if that was on Bo or Seth. I know earlier in the game Seth gave up on a route that was similar because of contact. Both appeared to be timing routes but that’s the kinds of things that happen when you throw it almost 50 times a game.
Most definitely not a Gus Offense. We rushed for 200 yards. Gus would have worked that out ran for 300 plus and won 34-17
Most definitely not a Gus Offense. We rushed for 200 yards. Gus would have worked that out ran for 300 plus and won 34-17
Posted on 10/17/20 at 3:40 pm to CorchJay
But will say you have to throw it to get the WRs needed to win championships so it’s a double edged sword. Hopefully we recruit good enough to not have a bare cupboard
Posted on 10/17/20 at 3:44 pm to CorchJay
If Bo did indeed have talent as a college QB, then he wouldn't be having these fundamental issues as a QB. It sounds like you're saying he has raw athletic talent, and I'd say so given his ability to run. But his talent as a college QB is average.
What do you expect going forward?
I'll tell you what I expect, and that is for nothing to change. I think Bo will keep escaping the pocket early and give up on his reads too soon. I don't see any indication things would be different.
What do you expect going forward?
I'll tell you what I expect, and that is for nothing to change. I think Bo will keep escaping the pocket early and give up on his reads too soon. I don't see any indication things would be different.
Posted on 10/17/20 at 4:04 pm to CorchJay
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Most definitely not a Gus Offense. We rushed for 200 yards. Gus would have worked that out ran for 300 plus and won 34-17
You must have been asleep the past 2 seasons, we haven't run for close to 300 yards on a defense with a pulse since 2017. And while we might be slightly more pass happy this season, we were slinging the ball around like crazy passing wise last season too.
And weren't you the one trying to defend the offensive play calling in the first half when people were saying Tank wasn't getting the ball enough?
Posted on 10/17/20 at 8:00 pm to CorchJay
I think we are finding out Bo is an athlete playing QB.
He has skills but not disciplined QB technique in all areas.
He has a will to win but makes ill advised decisions as a QB. He needs to calm down.
His decisions to feel he has to throw when going down makes it worse w intentional grounding calls.
His decision to run and not look to throw it in the EZ on last play of game is another example of him not thinking like a QB but as an athlete.
He has skills but not disciplined QB technique in all areas.
He has a will to win but makes ill advised decisions as a QB. He needs to calm down.
His decisions to feel he has to throw when going down makes it worse w intentional grounding calls.
His decision to run and not look to throw it in the EZ on last play of game is another example of him not thinking like a QB but as an athlete.
Posted on 10/17/20 at 8:45 pm to AuSteeler
He has trust issues with staying in the pocket, so it's happy feet. And with happy feet he's not talented enough to run, see (check down), and pass effectively all at time same.... so how could he be accurate. Because he looks to have not been coached to stay in the pocket enough to become unafraid. Since in high school his skill set was enough against lesser talented kids.... but not now that every one is equally good, has speed, and beyond everyday ball skills.
Plus on most connections he doesn't lead the receiver or hit in stride, so they usually have to stop to catch the ball. Which means even on the receptions there's yards left on the field when he's accurate.
And he appears to not be throwing at a small enough target. In every activity I've been associated you're taught to aim small to become consistently good. And that part of the process is getting and maintain proper body mechanics. Done until it becomes automatic, where it's becomes natural and not thought about. Then you get even smaller an smaller. IMO - this kid is still aiming at a barn wall most of the time.
Plus on most connections he doesn't lead the receiver or hit in stride, so they usually have to stop to catch the ball. Which means even on the receptions there's yards left on the field when he's accurate.
And he appears to not be throwing at a small enough target. In every activity I've been associated you're taught to aim small to become consistently good. And that part of the process is getting and maintain proper body mechanics. Done until it becomes automatic, where it's becomes natural and not thought about. Then you get even smaller an smaller. IMO - this kid is still aiming at a barn wall most of the time.
Posted on 10/17/20 at 8:55 pm to CorchJay
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He’s much more talented then Stidham
Running...ok, yeah.
Throwing a football...not a chance in hell.
Posted on 10/18/20 at 8:24 am to MrAUTigers
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That's shocking considering his Dad was a QB.
Wasn't Patrick Nix also the OC at Miami at one time.
For the life of me, I do not understand how a kid with all the tools, has such bad technique. His dad was an SEC QB, and has been coaching for 20 years. Bo Nix is in his 2nd year in an SEC program. He never steps up in the pocket, he constantly bails when he shouldn't, never checks of his primary receiver, and makes really bad decisions. Last week was the botched backward throw to the ground. This week, he scrambles, throws a sidearm dud for an interception.
Is no one working with him on his footwork at all?
Posted on 10/18/20 at 9:03 am to greygoose
I agree with all of this and said the same thing yesterday. He should not be making some of the mental errors he is with the amount of coaching he has gotten in his life.
I think it is just who he is.
I think it is just who he is.
Posted on 10/18/20 at 9:44 am to LanierSpots
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I agree with all of this and said the same thing yesterday. He should not be making some of the mental errors he is with the amount of coaching he has gotten in his life.
I think it is just who he is.
We all have seen just how bad his technique is in games. Do you think he's a totally different player in practice? If Gus doens't know how he reacts to pressure, and doesn't see it at all in practice, then that is malfeasance on Gus'part. Starting to remind me of Jeremy Johnson. That dude was a basket case, but Gus kept trotting him out there until he was un-fixable.
They kept showing Patrick Nix in the stands yesterday. Surely he can see the issues with Bo's play.
Posted on 10/18/20 at 10:32 am to CorchJay
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The coaches have allowed it because he’s extended some plays before. Like the TD to Seth against UK. Now is time to correct the footwork. I’m sure he looks like a complete stud in practice when he standsin there or isn’t going to get hit.
Biggest issue I have was lack of balance when Bo had it rolling early. Went way to pass happy. Bo was under control but once the game gets turned over to him he starts trying to do way to much. The catch by Seth is typical Bo. Falling back heave and Seth just comes down with it.
two comments from your post.
1. Correcting his footwork. Bo has gone to numerous QB camps to work on things just like this, I am sure. And i would expect that being around his father and now 2 OCs at Auburn would have given him more instruction.
He simply does not execute properly and consistently.
For ex. even the 2nd INT. Bo stands in the pocket, good protection, has a slant to Seth, and slings it inaccurately to Seth's back shoulder causing the ball to richochet and be intercepted. Poor mechanics by Bo even when he has time.
2. I agree went way too pass happy. Not sure why, unless the scouting report said they were strong against the run.But throwing 27 times in the first half and another 20 in the 2nd, tells me the OC was bent on throwing the ball. And with the poor execution on many of the pass plays, trying to get Tank going to me was a better option after half. But I noticed that they were still planning to pass more, bc they kept DJ in there most of the 2nd half, I guess bc he is a better blocker.
I didn't understand that reasoning...
3. QB decision making. All I have to know about Bo still needing to learn HOW to QB, was the last play of the game.
His ONLY option was to find time to throw the ball in the EZ just to give his team a chance. But he decides to run, not even looking to throw it, as if he thought he could score? Not even close. He has to think better in those situations.
Posted on 10/18/20 at 10:41 am to AuSteeler
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two comments from your post.
1. Correcting his footwork. Bo has gone to numerous QB camps to work on things just like this, I am sure. And i would expect that being around his father and now 2 OCs at Auburn would have given him more instruction.
He simply does not execute properly and consistently.
For ex. even the 2nd INT. Bo stands in the pocket, good protection, has a slant to Seth, and slings it inaccurately to Seth's back shoulder causing the ball to richochet and be intercepted. Poor mechanics by Bo even when he has time.
2. I agree went way too pass happy. Not sure why, unless the scouting report said they were strong against the run.But throwing 27 times in the first half and another 20 in the 2nd, tells me the OC was bent on throwing the ball. And with the poor execution on many of the pass plays, trying to get Tank going to me was a better option after half. But I noticed that they were still planning to pass more, bc they kept DJ in there most of the 2nd half, I guess bc he is a better blocker.
I didn't understand that reasoning...
3. QB decision making. All I have to know about Bo still needing to learn HOW to QB, was the last play of the game.
His ONLY option was to find time to throw the ball in the EZ just to give his team a chance. But he decides to run, not even looking to throw it, as if he thought he could score? Not even close. He has to think better in those situations.
How in Hell, did he beat out Gatewood? Son of a coach, QB camps, piss poor decision making. He should be showing progression instead, he's getting worse. He's an interception machine! I just can't fathom Gatewood was worse.
Posted on 10/18/20 at 10:48 am to greygoose
Have to totally disagree with the "turnover machine" comment. He has 4 turnovers on the season and 3 were yesterday. What did he have 5 INTs last year or something like that. Not going back to look but it wasn't many.
Posted on 10/18/20 at 10:52 am to CorchJay
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Have to totally disagree with the "turnover machine" comment. He has 4 turnovers on the season and 3 were yesterday. What did he have 5 INTs last year or something like that. Not going back to look but it wasn't many.
He should have had a few more, this and last year. He routinely forces his throws and throws into tight coverage. If he was more accurate, he'd have twice as many INTs. There's your silver lining.
EDIT: Should have been a turnover last week, and lost the game. All on Nix.
This post was edited on 10/18/20 at 10:54 am
Posted on 10/18/20 at 11:05 am to greygoose
Should he also have more touchdowns by balls that hit the WRs hands and is drop, broken up, or just poorly placed balls? Using your logic here...
Bo may not have done a lot to win games for us over they year and 4 games but other then yesterday I can't think of a game that he was so directly involved in our loss. Maybe the UF game last year but he was hit, harassed, sacked, and pressured by the UF pass rush the entire game.
Eli Stove seemed to indicate the issue was "communication" issues on the turnovers yesterday. Again a couple of the turnovers I'm not sure was just on Bo. I don't know the call or what the route was supposed to be.
But back to the original topic of the OP. Bo has to set his feet to be more accurate. If he does that he could quickly improve. I think there were 4 drops yesterday that would have picked up first downs as well. I've been saying all season the offense is so helter skelter. It's just like running different plays without any purpose.
I'll say it right now. I liked Gus' offense much more the Chad's. The route tree is better but that's it.
Bo may not have done a lot to win games for us over they year and 4 games but other then yesterday I can't think of a game that he was so directly involved in our loss. Maybe the UF game last year but he was hit, harassed, sacked, and pressured by the UF pass rush the entire game.
Eli Stove seemed to indicate the issue was "communication" issues on the turnovers yesterday. Again a couple of the turnovers I'm not sure was just on Bo. I don't know the call or what the route was supposed to be.
But back to the original topic of the OP. Bo has to set his feet to be more accurate. If he does that he could quickly improve. I think there were 4 drops yesterday that would have picked up first downs as well. I've been saying all season the offense is so helter skelter. It's just like running different plays without any purpose.
I'll say it right now. I liked Gus' offense much more the Chad's. The route tree is better but that's it.
Posted on 10/18/20 at 11:37 am to CorchJay
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Have to totally disagree with the "turnover machine" comment. He has 4 turnovers on the season and 3 were yesterday. What did he have 5 INTs last year or something like that. Not going back to look but it wasn't many.
The problem so far as this is concerned is that he doesn't play well on the road.
In 1.5 years Bo has thrown 10 INTs on the road as to one I think at home(1st was last week).
I bet his % is lower on the road, and his passing yards avg is less too.
He doesn't play well on the road.
Posted on 10/18/20 at 11:39 am to AuSteeler
He doesn't play well any where.
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